Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW

Subject	Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW
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Date	2024-11-06 01:29 -0500
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On 11/5/24 7:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:38:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 05/11/2024 20:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On the other hand, I recently re-worked a summary report program to
>>> build the entire table in memory and spew it out after all input files
>>> had been read, because I realized that these days, given the finite
>>> volume of data I'm working with, I effectively _do_  have unlimited
>>> memory.
>>
>> I have a friend who does maths research, involving operations on
>> gigantic matrices.
>> His original code, some of which is assembler to access some obscure
>> INTEL instructions to do with vector maths, was designed to use 128GB.
>> On someone else's extremely expensive computer in a far away land.
>> That is no longer an option, and he spent last week rewriting it to suit
>> the biggest motherboard he can easily obtain.
>>
>> Typically a run takes several months. The power usage on the computer is
>> about 500W.
>>
>> So people can still find ways to push the limits of computers.
> 
> AI is great for that. You know you're in trouble when companies are trying
> to buy nuclear plants to keep the lights in in the computing centers.
> 
> It doesn't get as much mention yet but all that energy eventually becomes
> heat. Is the answer something like the Seabrook nuke where you can use the
> Atlantic to keep the processors cool? When they were building Seabrook one
> of the spins was that the lobsters would love their cozy new homes.


   The "nuke plant" thing IS impressive - just a hint
   of HOW much energy 'AI' consumes using current
   hardware/methods.

   Expect the energy hunger to double or triple VERY soon.

   The human brain gets by on about 25 watts.

   In short, the 'AI' approach everybody's using
   just SUCKS ... seriously defective and about
   as anti-Green as possible.

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Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 00:54 -0400
  Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:48 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 15:25 -0500
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 22:58 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 15:24 -0500
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 22:56 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-04 08:35 +0000
          Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-04 16:40 +0000
            Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:14 +0000
              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 10:25 -0800
              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:41 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:32 +0000
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:10 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:24 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 18:30 -0500
          Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 02:49 +0000
            Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 22:25 -0500
              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 06:27 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 01:51 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 07:03 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 02:35 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:10 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 19:30 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:07 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-05 12:24 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:16 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-11-04 02:02 -0600
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:00 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 16:46 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:59 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:17 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-05 07:33 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:15 +0000
              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:01 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 10:20 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:30 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 10:45 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:57 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 13:15 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:57 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 20:08 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 20:18 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-05 20:31 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 23:38 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:26 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 01:29 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:12 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 11:24 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:11 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 17:49 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:38 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 16:46 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:37 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-07 17:12 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:13 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:43 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 16:41 -0500
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:36 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 00:19 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 21:46 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:58 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 11:29 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:40 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 00:25 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-05 07:47 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:56 +0000
            Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 05:05 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:50 +0000
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 22:58 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:25 +0000
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 04:57 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 05:06 +0000
        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:09 +0000
          Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:53 +0000

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