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Re: Rate of Change

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Am Montag000011, 11.08.2025 um 08:34 schrieb The Starmaker:

>>>>>>> Actually wrong, because the apparent movement of the Sun across the sky
>>>>>>> is caused by Earth' rotation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So: sun dials use the Earth' rotation, too.
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot about rotate time.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the earth has no force of it's own to rotate around the sun...so
>>>>> something else is happening here...it is the sun that rotates the
>>>>> earth to keep solar time.
>>>>
>>>> But you are probaly using the wrong word, you must mean the earth
>>>> ...spins.
>>>
>>> Let me put it this way..
>>>
>>> a sundial is not a earth clock, it's a sun clock.
>>>
>>> It measures the shadow of the sun...a solar solar clock.
>>>
>>> Not an earth clock.
>>
>> NO!!!
>>
>> The shadow moves at the sun-clock, because the Earth rotates (not the Sun).
>>
>> This is why a sun-clock measures actually Earth' rotation (in respect to
>> the Sun).>
> 
> Isn't the earth a cogwheel? Otherwise, What makes the earth...rotate?

This is a VERY good question.

My own guess was, that we have kind of 'background field', which I 
assume to be spacetime of GR.

Matter is now (in my own and selfinvented model) a 'timelike stable pattern.

This 'background field' behaves, as if the 'elements' are actually 
bi-quaternions, which interact with their direct neigbors, as if they 
would multiply with them according to an equation, which is used with 
quaternions to describe rotations.

The equation goes like this:

p' = q * p * q^-1

The net result for a huge massive body is then a certain rotation of 
that huge body.

(see also my 'book' called 'structured spacetime':

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing 
)


...

TH

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Rate of Change Street <street@shellcrash.com> - 2025-07-27 11:14 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change Willilam Babuh <bim@aimwi.ru> - 2025-07-27 11:39 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-07-27 13:59 +0200
    Re: Rate of Change Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-07-27 18:03 +0200
      Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-28 20:27 +0200
        Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-30 22:33 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-07-31 06:03 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-30 22:56 -0700
            Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-31 23:27 -0700
              Re: Rate of Change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-08-01 09:50 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-31 08:43 +0200
            Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-31 22:16 +0200
              Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-01 09:53 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-01 22:31 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-01 23:42 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-02 10:11 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-01 23:45 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-02 10:04 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-02 11:36 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-03 08:06 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Edmund Balanovski <bmesnl@akvdb.ru> - 2025-08-03 09:54 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-03 22:35 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-03 22:05 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-04 09:06 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:11 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2025-08-04 18:01 +0100
                Re: Rate of Change Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-04 17:23 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 12:40 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 22:43 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-05 09:46 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-05 21:30 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-07 10:12 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-10 06:20 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-10 23:34 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-12 08:55 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Marcelino Valchikovsky <vch@kosiea.ru> - 2025-08-12 08:19 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-15 10:29 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-16 07:23 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Bubba Kalimahi <mkiu@miiibak.ru> - 2025-08-16 10:34 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-17 10:30 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Bowen Metrofanis <nomo@sbbeww.gr> - 2025-08-17 13:07 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-18 09:13 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-17 22:17 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-18 09:39 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-20 01:07 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-04 08:59 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-04 11:51 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:17 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:24 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Percival Dudorov <duadc@dlo.ru> - 2025-08-04 14:33 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-05 09:00 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Johnathon Babadzhanov <nbnz@daa.ru> - 2025-08-05 11:51 +0000
          Re: Rate of Change Moshe Stavropoulos <eeou@svh.gr> - 2025-07-31 16:08 +0000
            Re: Rate of Change Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-07-31 19:54 +0200
  Re: Rate of Change Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-07-27 07:47 -0700
    Re: Rate of Change Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 13:02 -0800
  Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-27 11:05 -0700
    Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-02 10:15 -0700

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