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Re: New version of my annotations to SRT

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: New version of my annotations to SRT
Date 2024-02-20 09:01 +0100
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Am 19.02.2024 um 21:47 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:

>>>>>> So, my topic is this particular English translation.
>
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>   "But Einstein gave this another kick and used the same symbol
>>>    twice with different meanings within a single sentence."
>
> You can't blame Einstein for the alleged errors in the translation.

Actually I don't.

for me the actual author is irrelevant and especially also his 
intentions, because I wrote a critique about a specific text.

Who wrote it, how, with which intentions and why, that was not my topic.

I took the text as it is and this translation.

Whether the text represented Einstein's intentions or not was not my 
concern.


>
> It is interesting to note that you have given up
> claiming that Einstein in §10 used the same symbol
> twice with different meanings within a single sentence.
>
> Now you claim to have found it in §3. Let's see.
>
>>
>> The names of the axes in k were defined in § 3 page 8 in the footnote
>> with the dagger.
>
> This Editor's note is partly plain wrong, and partly meaningless.

Actually the editors wrote, that Einstein used tall Greek letters in the 
German original.

See here:
>> quote:
>>
>> "Editor’s note:  In Einstein’s original  paper, the symbols (Ξ, H, Z)
>> for the co-ordinates of the moving system k were introduced without
>> explicitly defining them.

The lack of definitions by Einstein was also annoying.

This made it very difficult to decipher some of his equations.

Einstein had also not a single illustration in his paper. This required 
to behave like Sherlock Holmes on a crime scene, if you wanted to decode 
the meaning of the used symbols.

>>
>> As I am writing about this translation, I use this footnote as defintion.
>
> A definition of what?
??

If you say something like
 > The "stationary system" is called K, with coordinates x,y,z,t.
 > The "moving system" is called k, with coordinates ξ, η, ζ, τ.

you have defined two coordinate system and connected symbols like e.g. 
ξ, η, ζ with a certain meaning.

This process is commonly called 'definition'.

But good practise is, to define each symbol only once.

Also good practise is, that the same quantity or mathematical object has 
only one name.

Reuse of symbols or abiguity of names were therefore critizised by me.


And certainly you don't want to promote ambiguity of names and 
unidentifiable symbols in physics papers.

TH

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  Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-13 07:44 +0100
    Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-13 14:50 +0100
      Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-14 08:17 +0100
        Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-14 11:05 +0100
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    Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-02-13 18:18 +0100
      Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Richard Hachel <pourquoi-pas@tiscali.fr> - 2024-02-14 01:46 +0000
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    Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-14 08:34 +0100
      Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-14 21:28 +0100
        Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-15 07:10 +0100
          Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-15 11:32 +0100
            Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-15 19:04 +0100
            Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-16 07:20 +0100
              Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-16 09:43 +0100
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                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-02-17 12:47 +0200
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                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-18 06:25 +0100
                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-02-18 13:05 +0200
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                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-02-18 22:05 +0100
                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT mlwozniak@wp.pl (MaciejWozniak) - 2024-02-18 21:36 +0000
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                Re: New version of my annotations to SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-02-18 05:47 +0100
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