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Am 09.02.2023 um 17:57 schrieb Paul Alsing:

>>>
>>> You are really demonstrating here just how much about climate science that you simply do not know! You have a LOT to learn and your guesses are completely wrong.
>> If you call my statements wrong and ask me to read some textbooks, you
>> demonstrate, that you believe in what textbooks say and that textbooks
>> violate my description.
>>
>> I would say, that scientific content in textbooks had to be
>> scientifically correct, hence should not be in conflict to my
>> statements, which are based on simple logic.
>>
>> But if they are, as you wrote, this would be a serious problem for the
>> textbooks, because my own statements are based on simple logic, which
>> scientific textbooks of any kind should not violate.
>>
>> To demand acceptance of illogic scientific statements is something you
>> cannot possibly expect.
>>
>> TH
>
> Logic cannot compete with evidence. There are many theories in physics that defy logic.

It's very hard to compete with logic.

'Evidence' in contrast is most likely influenced by thoughts, that 
already existed prior to events, from which this evidence is derived.

For instance the measurement of current in a wire requires the 
acceptance of certain concepts about electricity, which could actually 
be wrong.

Actually we know, that current is not 'flow of electrons in the wire'.

This is only a simplistic picture, which helps to visualise current, but 
not the actual mechanism.

Now, in almost all other circumstances instruments of some sort are 
used, which are based on certain physical theories, which could turn out 
to be wrong.

Therefore 'evidence' is more or less what some sort of instruments show, 
but not necessarily correct, because the theory up which this instrument 
was build could also be incorrect.




> Relativity, for example. There are many people here on this forum who do not have the academic background to deal with relativity and proceed to declare it to be incorrect. These people simply do not know what they do not know and tell the rest of us "but it is not logical".

I have actually an academic degree but not in science. Physics is a 
hobby and I have some degree of knowledge in relativity.

I have, for instance, spent a lot of time on Einstein's 'On the 
electrodynamics of moving bodies' and found several hundred errors in it.

This does not render relativity wrong, since you cannot prove anything 
with errors.

But it would put some sort of shadow upon the status of the author.

> Again, read a dang textbook, it is MUCH more likely to be correct than are your so-called logical guesses.

I prefer actually 'first degree texts' from origional authors.

A textbook is a simplification of origional works for educational purposes.

This is ok for students, but not really a scientific source.

The reason is, that the authors of educational books base their text 
upon a mixture of their own education and what they think is appropriate 
in their scientific environment, while the origional authors base their 
texts on their own research.


TH

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