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Re: Can a Machine become self-aware?

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Are you aware Jan that not only 
you have 'no self-awareness' but also
you have no free will?



Jan Panteltje wrote:
> 
> >Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>
> >> >I see, you one of 'those' that post links that you yourself don't
> >> >read...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Mirror tests" have been done on chimpanzees, elephants, dolphins and
> >> >magpies.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-awareness#:~:text=%5B39%5D-,Non%2Dhuman%20animals,-%5Bedit%5D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >German people are sooo lazy they take more sick days and any other euro
> >> >country!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Are you fat too?
> >>
> >> It is sad that once you lost comprehension of the subject you start insulting.
> >> Low IQ sign.
> >>
> >> No I am not German.
> >> FYI: I am an alien lifeform doing some investigation here to see if you humming-beans pose a danger to the Intergalactic
> >> Union.
> >> If so, then you may be beamed-up.
> >> We have zoos were we keep a few of your species for tourists.
> >> Earth is not visited by many of us, as the intergalactic travel agency has advised against visiting earth as it is infested
> >> with humans and those are considered dangerous.
> >> So much for Seti.
> >
> >
> >That which you believe is "self-awarness"...
> >according to Albert Einstein is simply a...optical delusion.
> >
> >It's sad that you and everyone else deny
> >that which you believe is "self-awarness"...a self is simply
> >
> >an optical delusion.
> >
> >
> >There are no "self-awarness" life forms on earth...
> >
> >and intelligent life does not exist on earth either.
> >
> >
> >But I know yous people need your "optical delusions" to survive.
> >
> >
> >Therefore you are not.
> >
> >
> >If you are not German, that means you are not fat.
> >
> >
> >wat other kind of people live in Germany?
> 
> I do not know if you ever did some programing or neural net programing,
> or ever designed some 'machine' that did some task.. You sound a bit confused
> 
> 'Self awareness' is easy implemented by adding either some code or some hardware looking at what
> other parts of the system do, call it 'mirror neurons' or whatever,
> as I explained in the 'sunscreen with voice added example.
> No big deal and no dots on your head either. In that layer of extra (soft or hardware or both) MEMORY is
> an important part, it enables 'learning',
> In a biological system the learning may be stored even in the configuration or in RNA or DNA in cells
> and self modification of the neural net is also possible. We are, really, very simple.
> 
> Some religious fanatic groups (basically kids who were fed false concepts and made slaves of their masters)
> will deny anything simple, make a big spectacle of a 'heaven or 'hell'
> and deny life is everywhere in the universe. Even the first Viking Mars experiment that was positive for life war denounced hours later!
>  http://www.gillevin.com/
> We need a better system, US is dead.
> 
> Maybe as soon as kids learn to play with software and neural net software and bots, will they SEE that they are being used by some religious fanatic idiots,
>  Design something.
> Or maybe their DNS structure is modified to make them 'great believers'
> In that case the species will either die, or hold back evolution for many years
> because of religious concepts.
> Ultimately Darwin applies, some other lifeform, from fungi to what not, may outlive and outsmart the human species.
> Holy shit what goes:
>  Pay money to your religious leader and you are a 'good believer'
> In medieval times the sun was orbiting the earth and they had math to show where it was , and the planets, at any time
> As full of bullshit as Albert E science was, and for a fact is still today.
> 
> For the real a  tit  fitty club, if Le Sage particles travel at (approximately) C and light is a state of those LS particles then
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Louis_Le_Sage
>  we are done with Albert E. and if these LS particles originate in stars or holes (black or white duh), then the universe will expand
> Throw in some slowing of the LS particles over time ..
> Near to earth more Le Sage particles are intercepted by earth, matter gets less compressed, 'the pendulum get longer'
> time slows down! And you should also see spectrum widening, as the particle flux is now different coming from different sides.
> Now it is fun again, no singularities
> at some point all particles are intercepted, no math bullshit divide by zero, MOVE ON .
> There are no infinities in Nature, something will always give way.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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