Re: about electronics

From	joegwinn@comcast.net
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Subject	Re: about electronics
Date	2026-05-03 19:54 -0400
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On Sun, 3 May 2026 14:35:00 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:

>On 4/28/2026 3:57 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> On 4/28/2026 3:38 PM, Buzz McCool wrote:
>>> An interesting ratio. Maybe screens to bench power supplies would be
>>> a better measure of academic analog electronics rigor as oscopes in
>>> an educational setting might be the USB type that plugs into a
>>> computer.
>> 
>> There's far less demand for electrical engineers.  Too much is
>> "slap together" from prefabbed modules -- designed by a relative
>> few people feeding multiple customer products.  And, their efforts
>> in typical product designs are relatively small (man-hours).
>> 
>> By contrast, the software/firmware in YOUR product is almost
>> certainly not the same as in some other product (even if you
>> leverage something like a Linux kernel).
>> 
>> Electrical Engineer salaries:  64,511 - 137,087 [$87,988]
>> Software Engineer:    75,449 - 209,993 [132,417]
>> 
>> (composite of a variety of market surveys)
>> 
>> There is downward pressure on pay for entry/early career
>> EE/SEs and considerable upward pressure on more experienced.
>
>A colleague, reading this, asked for more information on this as it
>applies to his eldest child's college major selection.
>
> From the BLS median US salary and positions (2024), growth (2034) (4%=avg)
>				Median Pay	Positions	Growth
>Software Developer		$131,450	1,895,500	15%
>CNA				$130,390	  179,200	12%
>DBA				$123,100	  144,900	 4%
>Electrical/Electronics Engineer	$118,780	  287,900	 7%
>Computer Programmer		$ 98,670	  121,200	-6%
>Network/Sysadm		$ 96,800	  331,500	-4%
>Web Developer			$ 95,380	  214,900	 7%

What would be more useful is the quintiles (or deciles) data, not just
the median, because quintiles quantify the spread.

I also wondered what the difference between programmer and software
developer might be.


>I.e., no shortage of "Software Developer" jobs out there!  And, clearly
>more jobs than qualified applicants (pay).  Just the number of positions
>available suggests where an education would likely leave you looking
>for work in "some other field".
>
>[I was surprised at the DBA figures but suspect that sort of job would
>quickly become boring/repetitive]
>
>And, as I've said, "anyone can write code" so there is comparatively
>little value placed on that (witness "Programmer", "Web Developer").
>
>By way of comparison (no "formal" post-HS education required!):
>Plumber			$ 62,970	  504,500	 4%
>Carpenter			$ 59,310	  959,000	 4%
>Roofer				$ 50,970	  166,700	 6%
>Auto Mechanic			$ 49,670	  805,600	 4%
>"Landscaper"			$ 38,470	1,296,400	 4%
>(i.e., as many positions as Software Developer but clearly no demand!)
>
>Physician/Surgeon		$239,200	  839,000	 3%
>Dentist			$179,210	  149300	 4%
>Lawyer			$151,160	  864,800	 4%
>Accountant			$ 81,680 	1,579,800	 5%
>
These need quintiles as well.  The plumber median number looks like an
apprentice.

Joe

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