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Re: OT: Hee! Hee!

From	Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: OT: Hee! Hee!
Date	2017-12-30 09:37 -0800
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On 2017-12-30 08:20, bitrex wrote:
> On 12/30/2017 10:43 AM, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-12-29 16:51, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2017 07:03 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>> On 2017-12-29 15:35, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 12/29/2017 05:09 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>> On 2017-12-29 12:09, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/29/2017 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                            ... A healthy individual (lots of young
>>>>>>>>> people, for example) wouldn't have much trouble choosing between
>>>>>>>>> $5k in
>>>>>>>>> almost useless Obamajunk "insurance" with a giant deductible, and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> much-cheaper freedom tax.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, just as I knew people who preferred to buy a fully decked-out
>>>>>>>> Camaro from the "savings" of not having health insurance,
>>>>>>>> pre-Obama.
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but that's their problem. When they get sick, not my
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally a not-fully-decked-out-but-perfectly-nice new Camaro
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> absurdly expensive. A V6 manual coupe with a couple do-dads is IIRC
>>>>>>> under 30. They'll certainly let you spend 70 if you want to though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they did. Others bought Mustangs and there it's the same.
>>>>>> Roush-this, Roush-that, and pretty soon it cost more than the stock
>>>>>> broker's big Benz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a natural life cycle to vehicles like that, after a couple
>>>>> years
>>>>> and a couple payment defaults/repossessions/sales they end up in the
>>>>> loving hands of someone who deserves them. There is an order to
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There sure is. What I don't understand is how someone can skip health
>>>> insurance for that. There is all that lamentation about how
>>>> "unaffordable" it is in the US and, under Obamacare it largely has
>>>> become unaffordable for the middle class over 400% FPL, but so far all
>>>> people I met who didn't have health care did so per choice. One lost
>>>> almost the whole colon because of it :-(
>>>>
>>>> They all think "Oh, nothing really bad is going to happen to me". And
>>>> then it does.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you know what my answer is going to be: in a Western country in
>>> the 21st century nobody should even be spending time on these questions
>>> as there should be a basic level of medical care available to all
>>> citizens at no charge. Joe Citizen's anxiety over health care coverage
>>> questions times a hundred million plus the overhead of dealing with it
>>> all likely results in many billions of dollars of lost productivity a
>>> year, far more than the rather meager billion or two the health
>>> insurance industry skims yearly off the top.
>>>
>>
>> Yet it's ok for Joe Citizen to die on a waiting list?
>
> If he's a poor or lower middle-class American paying for private health
> insurance currently, with what he can afford vis a vis the plan he has
> already being on a waiting list is _already_ par for the course, and has
> been for some time, certainly pre-dating Obama.
>
> In that bracket to add insult to injury you pay relatively large amounts
> of money relative to your income to a middleman who from your
> perspective does precisely nothing to directly improve your health to
> receive care generally no better, and often substantially worse,
> than what a Canadian gets for free.
>

Clearly wrong. Even a _Canadian_ judge has said in his opinion after a 
ruling against the government in a case where they tried to prosecute 
someone for using US health care "Access to a waiting list is not access 
to good health care".


> If he's more well-to-do then there will likely always be people willing
> to take money for better service, nobody is going to turn down cash.
> Private health insurance is a shell game by which the people most able
> to cover their own _realistic_ risk out of their own pockets unload a
> portion of that risk onto the people the least able to cover theirs, the
> poor and the young, which is why Conservatives are enamored of it.
>
> Then claim the "moral failure" is at the bottom, not where it actually
> resides.
>

Now that doesn't make sense at all.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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OT: Hee! Hee! Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-12-28 12:34 -0700
  Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 17:45 -0500
    Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 20:17 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 21:41 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 21:45 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 22:02 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 22:11 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 22:24 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 22:39 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 11:47 -0600
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 21:54 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 19:53 -0800
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 23:39 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 23:43 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 00:00 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 21:52 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 01:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 11:57 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 13:11 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 14:22 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-29 12:26 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:15 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:33 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 13:42 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:48 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:16 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 19:43 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:51 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 21:53 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 17:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:39 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 19:39 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:59 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 21:54 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:41 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 21:51 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-28 22:18 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 02:18 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 07:46 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 11:05 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:16 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-29 13:01 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:13 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-12-29 15:25 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-12-29 16:44 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 18:45 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 18:44 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:56 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 20:08 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 22:28 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 07:34 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 09:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 14:56 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 13:53 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 17:28 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 15:09 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:27 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:04 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-30 18:07 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 19:14 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 07:38 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-31 10:40 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 10:55 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 18:37 -0800
  Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 20:17 -0500
    Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-28 18:03 -0800
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 21:28 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 07:30 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:18 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 10:46 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:50 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 11:02 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:45 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:06 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 14:53 -0600
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:02 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 15:20 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:58 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-30 08:41 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:27 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 12:13 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:26 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 12:15 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:28 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 09:36 -0800
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 09:43 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 10:53 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 11:16 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 11:58 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:04 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 07:44 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 12:49 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 19:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 07:12 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:13 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 23:43 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-31 10:45 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 15:08 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:07 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 20:07 +0000
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 15:52 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 19:10 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 15:09 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:09 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:35 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 16:03 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 19:51 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 07:43 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:25 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 09:37 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:42 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:24 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 09:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:13 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 16:52 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 11:00 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:19 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:35 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:46 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 08:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 06:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 09:20 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 19:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-01-01 06:44 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-01-01 06:47 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-01-01 09:56 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-01-01 17:31 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 09:39 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 09:00 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 16:39 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 19:11 -0800

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