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Re: OT: Hee! Hee!

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Date 2017-12-30 17:04 -0800
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Subject Re: OT: Hee! Hee!
From bill.sloman@ieee.org

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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:29:10 AM UTC+11, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 07:34:30 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 2017-12-29 19:28, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:56:56 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2017-12-29 15:44, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:13:42 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2017-12-29 13:01, John Larkin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Given a choice between similar TI and ADI parts, we use the TI.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Same here but meantime support had become paltry with both. EE work has
> >>>>> become less fun since we had this massive consolidation. For most
> >>>>> high-tech non-special-market chips there are only two suppliers left, TI
> >>>>> and AD. And that shows. I am trying to get a support answer from AD for
> >>>>> about a week -> nada, zip. They just don't seem to care anymore. TI was
> >>>>> often worse, they just cast the question off to the "forums". Needless
> >>>>> to say, there was no meaningful answer either.
> >>>>
> >>>> What sort of "non-special-market" chips are you talking about.  Opamps
> >>>> aren't very "special" and there seems to be a few makers of them.
> >>>> Likewise logic.  Processors? DSPs?  DACs?  ADCs?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Current examples: AD8138 and ADA4950 diff amps, need some ironclad
> >>> distortion specs for 5Vpp diff output at 100ohms load. High volume
> >>> project. Filed request well before Christmas, no answer. In the 90's I'd
> >>> have had a call from my AD guy the next day. He even supported me while
> >>> I was designing something way outside his turf, in South Korea.
> >>
> >> That sounds pretty specialized.
> >>>
> >>>> We get great support from TI, ADI, particularly.  There are a half
> >>>> dozen people at TI who will jump at the first phone call (one
> >>>> analog/power FAE dedicated to our site).  ADI has an FAE who has
> >>>> worked several Christmas vacations with us to get shows ready.  Others
> >>>> are just a phone call away.  It's all about ROI.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If you are with a huge company that always works. In the old days they
> >>> understood that consultants can bring in lots of design-ins as well. I
> >>> have designs where 4k units/month roll off the belt in Shenzhen. They no
> >>> longer seem to understand that.
> >>
> >> I thought you understood the concept of ROI.
> >
> >Look like you don't.
> 
> Clearly, you believe support is free.  I thought you were in business,
> but obviously not.

Joerg wasn't suggesting that support was free, but rather suggesting that directing support only to people who had already bought parts and were still buying parts was trifle short-sighted.

New products happen from time to time, and getting your part into a new product can lead to a lot of new sales. Return on Investment isn't about the return you are getting on an investment made years ago, but should be about assessing where you might get most money from correctly directing your investment now.

Putting money into buggy-whip manufacturers isn't a great idea when somebody is inventing the automobile, and providing good support to krw has to be a short term investment.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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OT: Hee! Hee! Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-12-28 12:34 -0700
  Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 17:45 -0500
    Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 20:17 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 21:41 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 21:45 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 22:02 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 22:11 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 22:24 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 22:39 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 11:47 -0600
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 21:54 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 19:53 -0800
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 23:39 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-28 23:43 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 00:00 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 21:52 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 01:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 11:57 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 13:11 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 14:22 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-29 12:26 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:15 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:10 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:33 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 13:42 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:48 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:16 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 19:43 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:51 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 21:53 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 17:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:39 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 19:39 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 14:59 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 21:54 +0000
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:41 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-28 21:51 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-28 22:18 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 02:18 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 07:46 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 11:05 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:16 -0500
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-29 13:01 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:13 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-12-29 15:25 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-12-29 16:44 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 18:45 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 18:44 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:56 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 20:08 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 22:28 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 07:34 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 09:54 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 14:56 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 13:53 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 17:28 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 15:09 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:27 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:04 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-30 18:07 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 19:14 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 07:38 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-31 10:40 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 10:55 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 18:37 -0800
  Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 20:17 -0500
    Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-28 18:03 -0800
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-28 21:28 -0500
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 07:30 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:18 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 10:46 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 13:50 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 11:02 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-29 17:45 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 15:06 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 14:53 -0600
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 16:02 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 15:20 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:58 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-30 08:41 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:27 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 12:13 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:26 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 12:15 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:28 -0500
      Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 09:36 -0800
        Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 09:43 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 10:53 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 11:16 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-12-29 11:58 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:04 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 07:44 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 12:49 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 19:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 07:12 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:13 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 23:43 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-12-31 10:45 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-29 15:08 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:07 -0800
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-12-29 20:07 +0000
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 15:52 -0500
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-29 19:10 -0800
          Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 15:09 -0500
            Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 14:09 -0800
              Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 18:35 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-29 16:03 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-29 19:51 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 07:43 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:20 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:25 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-30 09:37 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 11:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-30 11:42 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-30 12:29 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:24 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 09:32 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 17:13 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-30 16:52 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 11:00 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 07:19 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:35 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-12-31 08:46 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-12-31 08:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 06:05 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 09:20 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 19:32 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-01-01 06:44 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-01-01 06:47 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2018-01-01 09:56 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2018-01-01 17:31 -0800
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 09:39 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-12-31 09:00 -0600
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! krw@notreal.com - 2017-12-31 16:39 -0500
                Re: OT: Hee! Hee! bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-12-31 19:11 -0800

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