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| Subject | Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. |
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
| Message-ID | <d25b111c-e6eb-3cc5-3e1e-235baa253cae@electrooptical.net> (permalink) |
| Date | 2025-05-15 13:02 -0400 |
On 2025-05-15 11:22, Joe Gwinn wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2025 19:38:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 2025-05-14 17:37, john larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2025 21:10:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-14 19:19, john larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:28:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. Radiation >>>>>>> damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down after a >>>>>>> few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very >>>>>>> radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for a few >>>>>>> hundred thousand years. >>>>>> >>>>>> And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of >>>>>> managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the >>>>>> government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste storage. >>>>>> I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported >>>>>> there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool. >>>>> >>>>> The best thing to do with used fuel rods is reprocess them into more >>>>> fuel. >>>> >>>> Something that is expensive and not every country can do. >>> >>> A couple of very remote places in the world could do that. And we'd >>> get lots of fun isotopes too. Can't leave hot rods in a zillion pools >>> forever. >>> >>>> >>>>> When that's not feasible, dig a deep hole and dump it in. Or drop >>>>> barrels of junk into an ocean subduction zone. >>>> >>>> That's simply wrong. >>>> >>>>> It's irrational to store nuclear waste locally. Nuke policy is mostly >>>>> fear driven. And nukes are unpopular in some quarters by people who >>>>> really don't want us to have affordable, safe energy. >>>> >>>> I have a very rational and studied fear of nuclear power. >>> >>> Why? It's very safe when done carefully. >>> >>> The little modular reactors sound cool. >> >> Putting used nuclear fuel someplace deepish underground is important. >> While a nuclear war would be very very bad, surface storage makes it >> much, much worse. >> >> The Chernobyl disaster released about 3.5% of the core inventory of one >> reactor out of four.(*) >> >> One Hiroshima-size bomb on top of a comparable large nuke plant could >> release all the inventory in all four cores, which would be about >> 4/0.035 ~ 114 times worse than Chernobyl. >> >> If the site included extensive spent-fuel pools, the total would be >> correspondingly larger--maybe 500 Chernobyls, maybe more. And that's >> just one installation. >> >> Not a bad score for one small bomb--there are lots bigger ones. :( >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs >> >> (*) >> <https://www.oecd-nea.org/jcms/pl_28292/chernobyl-chapter-ii-the-release-dispersion-deposition-and-behaviour-of-radionuclides> > > I'd be tempted to put hot waste in very heavy steel casks and drop > them into the Mariana Trench: > > .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench> > > It's 11 Km deep, and is where the Pacific Plate is subducting under > the Mariana plate, so those caskets are in for the long term. Nor is > retrieval all that easy, or a nuclear weapon of much consequence. If > it even works under such pressure. > > Joe > The Marianas Trench is a good choice, especially since it's in US territorial waters. It's been a National Monument for some years, though, which would be a nontrivial political obstacle. I'm quite partial to the Yucca Mountain thing, since even if it were to leak at some point, it would only contaminate Death Valley. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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