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Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information.

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information.
Date	2025-05-11 15:28 +0200
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On 2025-05-11 08:18, Don Y wrote:
> On 5/10/2025 7:22 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
>> This is largely unnecessary - if the control signal that was being 
>> sent out by the central controller to micromanage each power source 
>> was derived from a function of the frequency, phase, voltage etc., 
>> then rather than trying to distribute the result of this calculation 
>> to millions of devices with low latency, it is better to distribute 
>> just the formula (once every few years or as necessary), and run it on 
>> a microcontroller in the inverters several times every mains cycle. 
>> They already have more than enough processing power.
> 
> I think any reliance on a "central controller" is inherently flawed.
> Model the network.  Then, develop a distributed algorithm where
> every cogenerator understands its role in generation -- not just that
> of dumping power into the network but, also, of constraining the
> *overall* network's response.
> 
> I.e., instead of thinking that the cogenerator needs to disconnect
> in an anomalous situation, teach it to rectify that situation
> within the constraints taht the network model imposes.

I see a problem if the network is hacked. Same as routers are hacked today.


... (distributed algorithms)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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    Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2025-05-11 03:39 +1000
    Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2025-05-10 11:22 -0700
      Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2025-05-10 12:04 -0700
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