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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 09:46:18 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 21:19:50 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>> 
>> >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >[...] 
>> >> I think I'm seeing a return to biology, recognition that boys and
>> >> girls are different. 
>> >
>> >There is a trend towards Victorian ideas of biology, as taught in infant
>> >schools; many people nowadays rarely progress  beyond that stage. 
>> 
>> Natural selection is a victorian concept, but it still works.
>
>It wasn't generally accepted; the religious views were taught in
>schools.  Even now, ignorance and myth are taught alongside science (or
>in preference to science in many cases).
>
>>>  There
>> >is no single characteristic which determines a person's sex, it is made
>> >up of chromosomes, organs, hormones, brain development and dozens of
>> >other components that are still being discovered.  Any attempt to
>> >rigidly classify people by their ability to reproduce, what the midwife
>> >saw (or thought she saw) at their birth, or any other single
>> >charactreristic is a complete nonsense.
>> 
>> I agree that we shouldn't be rigid. But having a Y chromosone tends to
>> make people stronger and faster and hairier and meaner, and dominate
>> sporting events. A mediocre male athelete can declare himself to be a
>> her and be an instant superstar.
>
>Of the tens of thousands of top women athletes, how many are
>transgender?  
>
>
>> Midwives don't see chromosones, but make pretty good guesses.
>
>Their success is measured by the same incorrect criterion as they used
>in the first place, so they are usually deemed to have got it right.
>Trangender people are examples of where they, and society, gets it
>wrong.
> 
>> >
>> >With all these variables it is hardly surprising that some of the
>> >biological markers appear to contradict the social ones which make up
>> >gender.
>> >
>> >
>> >>The trans thing is fading. 
>> >
>> >Trans people were there all along but they were afraid to speak out;
>> >then things became more civilised and they showed themselves.  People
>> >were surprised: where had they all come from so suddenly?  There must be
>> >some sort of trendy mass delusion going on.  Now ignorant thugs are in
>> >control and trans people are hiding away again.
>> >
>> >We were always here and we will always be here - just less or more
>> >visible depending on the level of oppression.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Nowadays people don't have to conform to traditional gender roles, but
>> >> many choose to because that's what they are.
>> >
>> >Most people have the right to choose but there is one group of people
>> >who have been singled out and denied that right - and they are the ones
>> >who would most benefit from it.
>> 
>> The number of genuine trans people was always been a low percent of
>> the population. 
>
>0.5% or thereabouts (depending on who you include).  That's about 1.75
>million people in the USA and 350 thousand in the UK - rather more than
>the number of wheelchair users but rather less visible.
>
>
>>Lately it had become a fad in teenagers; blame the
>> internet.
>
>At the first appointment with a trained medical professional the 'fads'
>are soon weeded out.  As the waiting times for the first appointment in
>the UK range from 7 to 224 years we are likely to see an increase in the
>number of victims of fads - blame the politicians who shut down the
>clinics.  By far the majority of transgender people really are
>transgender; it is a hard road that few would choose to follow on the
>basis of a fad.
>
>>
>> Fads come and go, faster and faster.
>> 
>>
>>https://www.foxnews.com/health/transgender-trend-sharply-declining-amer
>>ican-college-campuses-new-analysis-finds
>
>If you have to turn to Fox news for your 'facts', you have lost any
>credibility you may have had.  

Multiple sources cite the huge adolescent trans peak and its recent
50% drop. If you decide that Fox is always wrong, it simplifies your
life.



>
>Ask yourself if, after years of agonising, you realised that you were
>transgender - how willing would you be to make it known in the current
>climate?  You would very likely loose friends, be cut off by some of
>your family and pressured by others.  At work you could be shunned and
>loose business, in the street you would suffer verbal (and worse) abuse
>and if you called the police they would find it amusing and abuse you
>again.
>

Being different alwsys has side effects. Being very beautiful or very
ugly can both be stressful. Being autistic isn't stressful; we don't
care what people think.

>If you went abroad you could finish up in prison and your own country
>might decide not to let you back in   At the very least, you could be
>hassled by security guards or have your motives and your sexuality
>questioned at length in front of a queue of people.

Being gay or Christian can get you killed too.

>
>If you were a student you could be ostracised by fellow students,
>informed by your college authorities that you had to use a disable
>toilet in another building - and then cautioned that, if you did, you
>would be abusing the rights of disabled people.   Humiliated by
>lecturers calling you by the wrong name and referring to you as
>something you aren't.  

If you look and sound and dress female, it would be easier for people
to call you Mary. Mixed modes are more difficult.



>
>If your university treated you fairly and reasonably, it would risk
>having its funding withdrawn, so how willing would it be to admit you as
>a student in the first place?
>
>That's a more likely explanation why fewer students let it be known that
>they are transgender.

John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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