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Re: OT: "Every American"...

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Subject Re: OT: "Every American"...
Date Wed, 8 Feb 2017 18:25:42 -0500
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On 2017-02-08 13:48:11 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said:

> On 2/8/17, 11:46 AM, in article 080220171346213751%nospam@nospam.invalid,
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <D4BFD5D5.8EF88%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Clinton:
>>> * Mishandled sensitive information
>>> * Knew she mishandled sensitive information
>>> * Showed "extreme carelessness" and was "sloppy"
>>> * Should have understood her actions were illegal
>>> * Responded to "suspicious emails"
>>> * Allowed "America's secrets [to be] vulnerable to hostile element[s]"
>>> * Showed "intent and consciousness of guilt"
>>> * Failed to follow internal policy
>>> * Failed to comply with the Freedom of Information Act
>>> * Stored confidential materials on a system less secure than Gmail
>>> * Showed poor understanding of what how to keep information secure
>>> * Showed poor understanding of technology in general
>>> 
>>> And Clinton lied... here are just some:
>>> * Claiming under oath that she turned over all work related emails
>>> * Claiming under oath her lawyers read all of the emails to determine
>>> which were work related
>>> * Claiming under oath that she never sent / received information
>>> marked classified (though such markings that existed were done
>>> incorrectly)
>>> * Claiming she never sent / received classified information
>>> * Claiming the server she used was allowed under policy
>>> * Claiming she followed the Freedom of Information Act
>>> * Claiming that her server was secure
>>> * Claiming she used only one device (Comey is unclear about concurrent
>>> usage but elsewhere Clinton speaks of using an iPhone and a Blackberry
>>> in such a way)
>>> * Claiming all of her emails were saved or "captured"
>>> * Denying she deleted work related emails or had others do so
>>> * Denying she had emails deleted to prevent others from seeing them
>>> * Denying the FBI investigation was a criminal investigation
>>> * Denying she was the target of the FBI investigation
>>> 
>>> Additionally, Clinton:
>>> * Instructed people without clearance to read / handle classified
>>> information
>>> * Instructed these same people to delete and hide classified information
>>> * Had a system which may have been hacked (we do not know)
>> 
>> very good list.
> 
> Thank you. And, to be clear, it is NOT something I found online -- I watched
> all 4+ hours of the bloody thing and took notes.

Yes... "Showed poor understanding of technology in general" was THE killer!
-- 
"Now Trump and his minions are in the driver’s seat, attempting to pose 
as respectable participants in American politics, when their views come 
out of a playbook written in German."  -Ron Rosenbaum, Author of 
'Explaining Hitler'
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/

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  Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-05 00:32 +0100
  Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-05 16:51 +0100
    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:21 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-06 09:55 +0000
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-06 21:10 -0600
          Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:20 +1100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-07 17:58 -0600
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:35 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-08 22:53 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-08 20:57 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:22 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 08:41 -0700
    Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-06 14:17 +1100
      Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:40 +0100
        Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 10:11 +1100
          Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 01:35 +0100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-16 12:00 +1100
              Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-16 08:05 +0100
              Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-16 16:23 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:27 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 15:32 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:38 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 15:42 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 12:44 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-16 21:51 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-16 16:15 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 13:33 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 10:02 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:08 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:25 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:05 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-16 23:19 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-16 22:50 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:15 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 11:51 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 09:56 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 01:36 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 16:38 -0800
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 11:57 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-17 02:03 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-17 17:42 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-16 20:09 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:02 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 20:46 -0500
  Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-05 16:28 +0000
    Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-05 10:41 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-05 16:51 +0000
        Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 13:32 -0500
        Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:05 -0600
        Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:40 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 16:41 +0000
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 18:21 +0000
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2017-02-07 12:33 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 18:36 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 19:00 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 21:31 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 21:47 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-07 21:55 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 22:12 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:11 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:11 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:33 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:31 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:07 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 14:51 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:26 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:06 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 14:45 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 10:24 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 16:40 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:47 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-09 09:55 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:21 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:21 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:31 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:19 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:08 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:22 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:28 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:27 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:26 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:02 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 09:10 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 16:35 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 09:52 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... android <here@there.was> - 2017-02-08 18:25 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:02 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:44 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-07 18:06 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-08 00:17 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:30 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 18:34 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 21:25 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-07 19:51 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 13:46 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 11:48 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-08 14:18 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 12:55 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:25 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:37 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:24 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:38 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:28 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:19 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:24 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:39 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 21:30 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 21:18 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-09 13:58 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 09:50 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-10 08:59 +1100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 18:08 -0500
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-09 16:53 -0700
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-08 09:10 +0000
                Re: OT: "Every American"... ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 20:02 -0600
                Re: OT: "Every American"... "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-02-08 23:43 +0100
                Re: OT: "Every American"... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-02-08 16:48 -0700
              Re: OT: "Every American"... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-07 18:55 +0000
            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 18:21 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
          Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-02-07 18:38 -0800
              Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 23:00 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-08 14:49 +1100
            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:28 -0500
            Re: OT: "Every American"... FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:29 -0500
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:46 -0600
    Re: OT: "Every American"... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-05 13:21 -0500
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 15:50 -0800
    Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-05 17:30 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-06 09:57 +0000
        Re: OT: "Every American"... Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-02-06 21:13 -0600
      Re: OT: "Every American"... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-07 21:03 -0500

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