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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: OT: "Every American"... |
| Date | 2017-02-08 21:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D4C13D8E.8F309%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink) |
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On 2/8/17, 7:27 PM, in article o7gjuf$dvr$1@dont-email.me, "FPP" <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-02-08 18:31:12 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> said: > >> I am happy to show you OTHER things I noted during the election season... >> though I stopped tracking after a fairly short time. I do fear that would >> completely overwhelm you though. > > So what? So is shows she was not a strong candidate. You know, a focus on the actual topic. Below you go off onto your OPINION vs. MINE, but you offer no evidence or support or reasoning. It is a sign you likely have none. Fine: the EVIDENCE suggests Sanders would have won and the EVIDENCE shows Clinton was a lousy candidate, but you FEEL otherwise. I am OK with that and you seem to be, too. Seems we have reached agreement. > What does your opinion of her prove? That you didn't like > her as a candidate? > You didn't need to take notes to justify that... > > I'm afraid you're not complaining about Hillary... you're complaining > about politics. This is a false statement on your part. > How about when Bernie lied about her? He deliberately lied when he > stated SHE had said HE was 'unqualified'. It never, ever happened. Nobody has said, suggested, hinted, or implied he was perfect. That was actually a clever move on Clinton's part (even if immoral). She had surrogates say it and Sanders took the bait (which showed poor judgment on his part). He responded as if SHE said it when she had not. Of course, the idea she is not qualified is an opinion and, frankly, as I have shown one that is easy to support... but it still was a gaff on his part. > Or when Bernie's people knowingly took information from her private > files in the DNC? They knew, and they stole it anyway. There are many questions on this. The staff member (not MEMBERS) as you say was recommended by the DNC. When Sanders learned about it he immediately fired the person (again, ONE, not the multiple PEOPLE you say) and asked the DNC to help with a full investigation into the matter. They refused to investigate their OWN accusation. Can you think of any other time such a thing has happened -- the accused has asked for a full investigation and been denied? > Or when Bernie's guys pretended to be Union members and wore the > buttons that got them access under false pretenses? Again, there are multiple stories I have heard on this but I do not defend it. But notice how you refuse to speak of Clinton and work to change the topic to Sanders. Interesting. Remember, here is just small list of some of her lies and poor behavior, much better supported than yours... are you willing to do what I did and go point by point? I bet not. Comes down to deep down you know she was not an honest candidate. * Her emails: she repeatedly claims she merely did what others have done but has yet to name even one other who had a private email server installed in their house. NO examples of someone truly doing as she did. She could argue that this allowed her to make the email more private and try to turn it into a positive, but her dishonesty on this at least makes it seem she has something to hide - perhaps emails that should be public that she does not want others to see. She also committed perjury and said she released all emails when she had not (and later admitted to) and of the deleted emails she said many went to her husband who publicly says he does not use email! http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/14/state-dept-cites-gaps-hillar y-clinton-email-record/?page=all https://youtu.be/T0Xtv1QMzy0 https://youtu.be/jzA-NEmAQaQ?t=8m40s * Her speeches: She refuses to release them. Why not? She gives the impression that either the speeches have info in them that she does not want out or that they are mundane enough to make it so the payments for them were payoffs. Either way she looks bad. She again refuses to be open. Oh, and she lies about them time and time again: https://www.facebook.com/itstheGADFLY/videos/1141125379240531/ * She argues against the fact that she is the establishment candidate. She is - if there was any question the super delegate (establishment) votes prove it. Instead of being honest and speaking about how this can be an advantage she lies and denies. Why not instead speak about how she and Sanders want many of there same things but as the establishment candidate she has more connections and more influence and will be able to get more done. She COULD be (mostly) honest and point out the benefits (showing the good side is what we all do in an interview... I get that). * She claims to not want to speak of the 1990s, whining often when Sanders brings the time up. She, however, repeatedly brings up the 1990s. This happens time and time again in the debates. More than that, when you run for president it is completely predictable that your past record will be asked about... to complain about people doing so is immature and silly. She at least comes across as having something to hide and deflecting. * She feels the need to repeatedly twist Sanders' record. The Washington Post goes into some detail here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/5-times-hillary-cl inton-has-played-fast-and-loose-with-the-facts-on-bernie-sanderss-record. She makes things up about or twists Sanders' record on immigration, the auto bailout, the Minutemen, the Koch brothers, his work with bank regulation, and more. At the very least this indicates she is afraid of his growing popularity and is playing dirty to try to win the candidacy. She shows she does not think she can stand on her own record. * Her answer about fracking was wordy and never really answered the question (a common theme with her, really). Mother Jones has an article about a likely reason why: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shal e-state-department-chevron If she thinks fracking should be used why does she not just say she is for it (and then can add that she wants to make sure it is well regulated). Why the deception and double talk from her? * Her comments on immigration were anything but clear, too. More on that from the New York Post: http://nypost.com/2016/03/11/immigration-experts-have-no-idea-what-hillary-i s-talking-about/ She repeatedly talks in circles and does not give clear answers. * Her comments about health care. When Sanders speaks of healthcare for all she says it would cost too much... but then in the next moment she says she wants to expand ObamaCare so that it covers healthcare for all (not just 90%). She cannot just give a clear answer. * Lying about not knowing where Sanders was as she pushed for better health care. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokes person-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare * On her own voting record she is just as unclear. The Onion had fun with this fact with this article: http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-throws-flash-grenade-divert-attentio n-ques-52499 Clearly that is satire, but the point it makes is serious - she repeatedly gives non-answers to questions. * Repeatedly it seems like after breaks she has stronger answers to questions. I (and others) have hypothesized that she is getting assistance from her advisers. Now there seems to be direct evidence to back this up: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-campaign-says-this-photo-proves-clinton-b roke-rules-during-univision-debate/ She at least seems to be unable to play by the rules. * She backs supporters of hers even when they act badly - in one example going so far as to play the sexist card claiming that there is a special place in hell for women who back Sanders. * Her husband at the very least skirts campaign laws by even hanging around polling places and blocking people in strong Sanders areas from voting: http://mediaite.com/a/vkkzf and http://www.snopes.com/clinton-campaign-laws-massachusetts/ * Her husband also sinks to saying Sanders' supporters, who back his fight for greater equality, are just as bad as Trump supporters who fight heavily against equality. * Lying about the Reagan's response to the HIV/AIDS crisis. I will grant and commend her for retracting this praise... and as such can see it as more of a mistake than a lie. I leave it on this list because I previously noted the inaccuracy of her claim. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/11/hillary-clin ton-apologizes-for-praising-nancy-reagans-response-to-hivaids/ * Lying about where her funding comes from and trying to sounds like she is similar to Sanders in this. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-claim-small-donors-mostly-false-politifac t-finds * Her lie about avoiding a New York debate because of Sanders' tone when everyone know it is because she fears it will harm her chances of winning the state. In the past she has directly said "You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere.": https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/videos/1016591345062536/ * She lied when Sanders noted her money from the oil industry. Worse than that, she lost her temper over it... even though she used the SAME attack against Obama when she was running against him. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/01/politics/hillary-clinton-oil-gas-donations-oba ma/ and her ad against Obama: https://youtu.be/3satJnoBXi8 She refuses to sign the agreement Sanders did to NOT take oil money, maybe because she has had massive amounts of oil money flow into the Clinton Foundation: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/09/oil-money-flowed-clinton-turned- back-rights-abuses-colombia-report * Her fighting against Sanders for the $15 / hour minimum wage and then in New York working with the people fighting for it pretending she was backing it the whole time and is with them on their fight. http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-clinton-minimum-wage-20160404-s tory.html > I'd go into the Republican side, but I want to retire in a few years, > and don't have that much time... You can go there... but you cannot speak of the wrongs of Clinton. Interesting. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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