Re: end of intel for Mac?

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: end of intel for Mac?
Date	2015-09-09 16:51 -0700
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On 2015-09-09 23:23:56 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2015-09-09 18:43, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-09-09 22:32:10 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>> 
>>> On 2015-09-09 18:24, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2015-09-09 22:14:28 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2015-09-09 17:57, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-09-09 21:29:37 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2015-09-09 20:21:07 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2015-09-09 19:55:18 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In article <msq2ia$2a8$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>>>>>>>>> <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As Apple did with the PPC to intel (and having had OS X compiled
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> intel for many years before the switch), doing it again to a
>>>>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>>>> they design (based on ARM), would be relatively easy.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Except there's no evidence that such a change is even
>>>>>>>>>> contemplated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> oh yes there is.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> xcode now generates an intermediate code which is later
>>>>>>>>> recompiled to
>>>>>>>>> native code by apple before being downloaded by the enduser.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> that's about as clear as it gets without coming right out and
>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>> "architecture switch coming."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yup. That would be evidence...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ...but when did this start?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since Apple switched to LLVM years and years ago!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So then it really isn't evidence that any such change is being
>>>>>> contemplated at the moment, is it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Who said evidence is required to discuss a possibility?
>>>> 
>>>> You said there was evidence in the presentation today.
>>> 
>>> I never claimed it was 'evidence'.  I said I was "more convinced than
>>> ever"
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But there just wasn't.
>>> 
>>> Never claimed it was evidence.  That's your pet.
>> 
>> If it wasn't evidence to you--the language that Apple used...
>> 
>> ...then what was it?
> 
> Sheesh.  Suggestion.  Hints.  Indications.  Direction.  All supported 
> by their past behaviour reinforced by their toolset, esp. XCode/LLVM, 
> that supports changing or supporting multiple CPU's in a relatively 
> painless way and of course the niggly little detail that they design 
> their own processors.
> 
> Further Apple are hell bent for election to reduce energy consumption 
> of their products so going to the lower energy demands of the An 
> processors is one way to get there.  Back to RISC (ish) if you like.
> 
> Nobody outside Apple knew for sure that Apple would head to intel  
> until Apple announced it.  And at that announcement Jobs confirmed that 
> OS X had been compiled for intel for several years.
> 
> This is all supposition and harmless speculation for _DISCUSSION'S_ 
> sake, not some proof fest about whether it is true or not or backed up 
> by irrefutable evidence.

And if you recall, all I said was that I saw and heard the same words, 
and don't agree.

They were MARKETING a new product; pumping it up. That's all.

XCode LLVM Intermediate Representation has existed for quite some time 
now; 2011, AIUI.

You're adding 0 + 0.1, and concluding it adds up to a million.

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end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 13:55 -0400
  Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 11:14 -0700
    Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 15:34 -0400
      Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 12:50 -0700
        Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 15:55 -0400
          Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 13:21 -0700
            Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 16:33 -0400
            Re: end of intel for Mac? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-09 14:29 -0700
              Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 14:57 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 18:14 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 15:24 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 18:32 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 15:43 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 19:23 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 16:51 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-09-09 18:39 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 18:53 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-10 17:57 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-10 17:38 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-09 20:31 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-10 17:46 -0400
          Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-09 17:11 -0400
            Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 17:15 -0400
            Re: end of intel for Mac? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-09-09 22:39 +0100
              Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 17:43 -0400
        Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 15:56 -0400
          Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 13:21 -0700
            Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 16:35 -0400
        Re: end of intel for Mac? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-09 14:28 -0700
          Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 14:56 -0700
            Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 18:13 -0400
              Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 15:23 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 18:29 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-09-09 15:43 -0700
              Re: end of intel for Mac? thomas.e.elam@gmail.com - 2015-09-13 08:38 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-13 16:17 +0000
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-09-13 13:16 -0700
                Re: end of intel for Mac? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2015-09-13 11:27 -0600
  Re: end of intel for Mac? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-09 14:21 -0700
    Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 17:24 -0400
    Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 17:35 -0400
      Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 17:43 -0400
        Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-09 18:12 -0400
          Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 18:19 -0400
            Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-09 20:23 -0400
              Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-09 22:05 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-10 01:10 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-10 01:17 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-10 01:33 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-10 10:24 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-10 17:54 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-10 20:11 -0400
                Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-11 12:36 -0400
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            Re: end of intel for Mac? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-09-10 17:40 -0400
    Re: end of intel for Mac? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-09 20:19 -0400

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