Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?
Date	2016-11-04 00:01 +0000
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Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-11-02 20:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2016-11-02, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2016-11-02 12:07, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-11-01 17:26, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> In article <prqdnf5TMap4YYXFnZ2dnUU7-UfNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>>>>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Doubling the RAM doubles the power the RAM takes - not the power the
>>>>>>> system takes. 20 - 30% more battery is probably far more than enough.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> doubling the memory requires using desktop ram chips (because skylake
>>>>>> does not support low power chips), which means there is a big increase
>>>>>> in power draw even while staying at 16 gig, plus an thermal impact on
>>>>>> top of that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it's much more than just making the battery a little bigger, all for
>>>>>> something a very small minority of users want.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you do an iStat menus dropdown of the power draws (on a desktop), you
>>>>> can see that the power required for RAM v. the rest of the system is
>>>>> quite low as a proportion to the whole.  So increasing the RAM will not
>>>>> have much impact on the overall size of the battery - nor thermal load.
>>>>> I'm looking at the numbers on a desktop (not all that efficient memory
>>>>> in power terms).
>>>> 
>>>> Something tells me hardware designers don't use iStat menus to design
>>>> hardware systems. It's funny how random people on the net automatically
>>>> think they are better qualified than actual experts.
>>> 
>>> What hardware engineers do is...
>> 
>> As if you'd know.
> 
> After 30+ years of living in it, yep.

How many laptop computers gave you designed in those 30+ years? Which makes
and models? Are they more successful than Apple's offerings?

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New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:20 -0400
  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-29 15:10 +0000
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:34 -0400
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:42 -0400
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        Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 14:50 -0400
          Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 09:14 +1300
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 02:30 +0000
              Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:11 +0000
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-30 15:57 +0000
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            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:04 -0400
          Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-31 16:08 +0000
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lloyd Parsons <email@domain.com> - 2016-10-31 11:39 -0500
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 17:50 -0400
              Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-01 16:26 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:44 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-02 15:47 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-02 19:15 -0400
  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 09:55 -0600
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 12:00 -0400
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 13:03 -0400
        Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:06 -0400
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-29 15:17 -0500
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:12 -0600
        Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:40 -0400
          Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 11:59 -0400
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 12:39 -0400
              Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 20:15 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:19 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 21:42 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:54 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:03 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 18:27 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:41 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 18:44 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 23:13 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-30 18:08 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-30 20:46 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-31 01:57 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 17:48 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 18:17 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 20:01 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 00:19 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:33 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:28 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 21:59 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 18:11 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 00:45 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-05 14:16 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 18:40 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-05 15:59 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 20:26 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 23:45 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 04:10 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:37 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-01 05:31 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:37 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-01 00:45 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:36 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 18:06 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-02 10:10 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-02 15:36 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-02 16:07 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-02 19:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 00:46 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-03 16:45 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-04 00:01 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-03 20:58 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-03 17:04 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-03 21:18 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-30 20:43 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-31 00:48 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-30 20:40 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-31 00:46 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-31 01:55 +0000
              Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 17:37 -0400
        Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 20:08 +0000
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    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 13:03 -0400
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-30 08:49 +1300
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