Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?

Subject	Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?
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From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2016-10-30 12:37 -0400
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On 2016-10-30 11:57, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-29 11:10, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> But then you have to wonder how much it would cost as a standalone
>>> product.  Are people really going to shell out $300+ for a keyboard?
>>
>> Why not?  If those functions are useful to them, then they will. I know
>> graphics artists and engineers with very complex pointing devices that
>> cost a bundle.
>
> That still points to a small market segment for a specialized tool.
> The question is not whether or not they can sell it to *some* people,
> but whether or not they can sell it to *so many* people that it
> becomes as essential as a mouse.
>
>> No issue for USB 3.0 so wired keyboards could definitely support it.
>
> In *theory*, yes, but I’m not so sure about using USB that way in

In practice quite easy and a non issue of monumental proportions even 
for USB 2 (480 Mb/s theoretical; half that without the slightest 
struggle).  This is much higher than BT 3 (which is on the edge of 
acceptable in gross terms and quite acceptable if a compression scheme 
and discrete block writing is used as I described earlier).

I've often written large files to an external drive while reading 
another large file from the same volume.  eg: 2 way, high speed traffic 
with no issues at all.  Slower than a one way, sure, but much, much 
higher BW than what I described in the earlier post.

As to USB 3?  Blowout.

> practice.  I mean, I have a HDTV tuner that functions fine even over
> USB 2, but I don’t see any *interactive* devices that are pushing
> both input and (video) output over USB.  I’m not saying it can’t be
> done, I’m just wondering why I don’t *already* see it being
> regularly done.

See above.  Using external HD's is one example.

>>> I also expect to see a Touch Bar app for iOS.  It makes zero sense for
>>> them to introduce this feature for the Mac and completely ignore all
>>> the touch devices they’ve sold by the millions.
>>
>> Do you mean using an iOS device as a Touch Bar?  Perhaps - but it
>> would be too far from fingers over the keyboard to be as useful.
>
> There’s nothing keeping me from putting my iPad between my keyboard
> and monitor (I’ve leaned it there from time to time to watch videos
> while I use my Mac) or directly to the left of the keyboard.  I used
> to have a Nostromo keypad that was *very* handy to have as an extra
> input device for my left hand.  I could map the keys to all different
> sorts of application-specific functions.

I don't dispute that.  The notion of the touchbar is that it is 
immediately above the number row - very close to the fingers over the 
board.  Not a separate device cleverly or clumsily located in the area.

> I just don’t see what the Touch Bar brings that Apple couldn’t have
> *already provided* via better iDevice integration with Macs.  If they
> *really* think it’s a good idea, they need to bring it to everyone who
> has iOS already.  Otherwise, I see it as a gimmick that’s not going to
> be around for long.

Time will tell.  As I've mentioned if the app writers don't get on board 
it may be limited to Apple's apps ... which are generally quite limited 
in their own right.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-29 15:10 +0000
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:34 -0400
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  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 09:55 -0600
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      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:12 -0600
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