Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?
Date	2016-10-31 18:17 -0400
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In article <FPqdnY0105a8IYrFnZ2dnUU7-KNQAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> >
> >> Had the MBP been thick enough to accommodate a battery that would permit
> >> adequate run time with 32 GB RAM it would not have affected "that
> >> significant number" of people at all.
> >
> > Stop channeling JF and making shit up. You have no idea what the
> > trade-offs are.
> 
> Bombast as always.
> 
> Fact is a battery's capacity is for the most part proportional to its 
> volume.  This is why in some Apple products the batteries are quite 
> complex in shape or configuration in order to fill up as much volume as 
> possible with battery.
> 
> The facts are clear given the statement from Schiller: less RAM to 
> conserve battery life.  And battery life depends on how large the 
> battery is v. the draw on it.  Making the MBP slightly thicker would 
> accommodate more battery.  Period.

except more battery (which isn't free) is not all that's needed. 

the next generation intel cpu is, which is not yet available. the 16
gig limit is not just macbooks, but pc laptops too.

<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/59yrxg/the_true_reason_the_mbp_
doesnt_come_with_ddr4_or/>
  Apple's statement is true, but lacks detail.

  The true reason behind the lack of 32gb or ddr4 is intel. Skylake
  does not support LPDDR4 (LP for low power) ram. Kabylake is set to
  include support, but only for the U category of chips. So no LPDDR4
  support for mobile until 2018 I think.

  One example is the del XPS 13.

  On the dell XPS 13 version, you cannot go for 32gb of ram. Meanwhile,
  the 15 inches does give you that option, but you have to sacrifice
  battery life for it.

  Another example is the surface book, they can't include 32gb. Only  
  goes up to 16gb.

  These computers use LPDDR3 which is supported. Many mite make the
  argument that apple could have used the LPDDR3 version, but how would
  they look if they did that for the 15 inch MBP only?

  With intel continuing to drop the ball on these basic things in
  mobile, I have to call for apple to switch to ARM chips, since intel
  is incompetent at delivering proper mobile chipsets. I gess they are
  too focused on VR and AR to care. What a disappointment.

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  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-29 15:10 +0000
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  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 09:55 -0600
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 12:00 -0400
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 13:03 -0400
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      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:12 -0600
        Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:40 -0400
          Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 11:59 -0400
            Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 12:39 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:03 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 18:27 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:41 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 17:48 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 20:01 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 00:19 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:33 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 21:59 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 00:45 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-05 14:16 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 18:40 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-05 15:59 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 20:26 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-05 17:13 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 23:45 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 04:10 +0000
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