Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar?
Date	2016-11-02 16:07 +0000
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Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-11-01 17:26, nospam wrote:
>> In article <prqdnf5TMap4YYXFnZ2dnUU7-UfNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Doubling the RAM doubles the power the RAM takes - not the power the
>>> system takes. 20 - 30% more battery is probably far more than enough.
>> 
>> doubling the memory requires using desktop ram chips (because skylake
>> does not support low power chips), which means there is a big increase
>> in power draw even while staying at 16 gig, plus an thermal impact on
>> top of that.
>> 
>> it's much more than just making the battery a little bigger, all for
>> something a very small minority of users want.
> 
> If you do an iStat menus dropdown of the power draws (on a desktop), you 
> can see that the power required for RAM v. the rest of the system is 
> quite low as a proportion to the whole.  So increasing the RAM will not 
> have much impact on the overall size of the battery - nor thermal load. 
> I'm looking at the numbers on a desktop (not all that efficient memory 
> in power terms).

Something tells me hardware designers don't use iStat menus to design
hardware systems. It's funny how random people on the net automatically
think they are better qualified than actual experts. 

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JR

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  Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-29 15:10 +0000
    Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:34 -0400
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      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-29 15:17 -0500
      Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:12 -0600
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          Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 11:59 -0400
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              Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 20:15 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:19 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 21:42 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:03 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 18:27 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 22:41 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 00:19 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:33 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 17:26 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-01 17:28 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 21:59 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 18:11 -0400
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 00:45 +0000
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                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-05 14:16 -0400
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 18:40 +0000
                Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-05 15:59 -0400
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