Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: New Mac Keyboard with Touchbar? Date: 4 Nov 2016 00:01:37 GMT Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1mvvjae.gd6s9g18ejs0oN%nmassello@yahoo.com> <6IadnYkzx_ArWonFnZ2dnUU7-T-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1mvw3gm.u7l0d31pdg2rjN%nmassello@yahoo.com> <301020161159405514%star@sky.net> <7ICdnfHlzNnBv4vFnZ2dnUU7-INQAAAA@giganews.com> <5L6dndmlf7af8YvFnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@giganews.com> <011120161726126914%nospam@nospam.invalid> <14-dnRc0Aeu364fFnZ2dnUU7-L_NnZ2d@giganews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net xDO+wdzSS/JlV571mcc4uQCLYhgZ+hm1/FFKRotTOlgwNK+D72 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Sfol3K4w1KjyinoOUSwuGyt/bb4= sha1:nBCiO+D4vQr2Ac7OjgGkwVfryGE= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.2.1 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:96442 Alan Browne wrote: > On 2016-11-02 20:46, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2016-11-02, Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2016-11-02 12:07, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> Alan Browne wrote: >>>>> On 2016-11-01 17:26, nospam wrote: >>>>>> In article , Alan Browne >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Doubling the RAM doubles the power the RAM takes - not the power the >>>>>>> system takes. 20 - 30% more battery is probably far more than enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> doubling the memory requires using desktop ram chips (because skylake >>>>>> does not support low power chips), which means there is a big increase >>>>>> in power draw even while staying at 16 gig, plus an thermal impact on >>>>>> top of that. >>>>>> >>>>>> it's much more than just making the battery a little bigger, all for >>>>>> something a very small minority of users want. >>>>> >>>>> If you do an iStat menus dropdown of the power draws (on a desktop), you >>>>> can see that the power required for RAM v. the rest of the system is >>>>> quite low as a proportion to the whole. So increasing the RAM will not >>>>> have much impact on the overall size of the battery - nor thermal load. >>>>> I'm looking at the numbers on a desktop (not all that efficient memory >>>>> in power terms). >>>> >>>> Something tells me hardware designers don't use iStat menus to design >>>> hardware systems. It's funny how random people on the net automatically >>>> think they are better qualified than actual experts. >>> >>> What hardware engineers do is... >> >> As if you'd know. > > After 30+ years of living in it, yep. How many laptop computers gave you designed in those 30+ years? Which makes and models? Are they more successful than Apple's offerings? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR