Re: Godo news for the Mac !

Subject	Re: Godo news for the Mac !
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From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2017-05-05 12:09 -0400
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On 2017-05-05 11:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-05-05, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2017-05-04 22:15, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2017-05-05, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 4 May 2017 18:47:22 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Reportedly Apple has plans for Mac in the pipeline for years to come
>>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah.  What should be a few years worth of updates spread out over a
>>>> decade.  Apple is lax on updating their Mac product lines, to say the
>>>> least.  The lack of Steve Jobs is...
>>>
>>> That old, stale "Steve would never...!" line is a stinky, rotten horse.
>>> Do the world a favor and stop with that BS. News flash: Steve is long
>>> gone (RIP!). Apple is constantly changing and doesn't necessarily dance
>>> to *your* tune at every step. And they've quite recently stated Macs and
>>> professionals are indeed still high priority. Vocal minorities aside,
>>> many customers are reasonable and calm enough to know that with a
>>> company this size, things take time.
>>
>> Others may placidly accept things for what they are and that's okay.
>
> Some people embrace change rather than reject it, and just get shit done
> while the cry babies complain about being "stuck" at every turn. ; )

Change can be by evolution or revolution.  It's odd that Apple "evolve" 
the phone line but are in revolution mode with Macs.  But it's really 
nickle and dime.  The Mac will be cheap to make - maybe even cheaper to 
buy - but they're pushing other costs and inconveniences onto the user 
while keeping the RDF humming.

>
>> Having dongle city to use you MBP is not okay.  Thoughtless disconnect
>> in the search of lower costs.
>
> It's about miniaturization more than cost. Apple understands people
> overwhelmingly want smaller and lighter portable computers. Dongles have
> been a fact of life with laptops for a long time now, and that's not

Dongles defeat the purpose, the goal of portability.  A lot of very 
portable computers have various common interfaces.  We don't lament the 
loss of Ethernet because of the widespread availability of WiFi.  The 
later preceded the removal of Ethernet connectors.

Now, the cart is before the horse.

To be clear, I don't really care if I need a small/thin USB to USB-C 
adaptor - I'll just leave it on the device cable, even tape it snugly in 
place.

But SD readers take up more room in the briefcase and as an oddball 
item, never really convenient to have in there.

> going to stop as portables get thinner and lighter. If you violently
> disagree with this trend, you are going to have to face up to the fact
> that you are in the minority. The sales numbers don't lie.

Yes, it's a good time to be a dongle maker.

The need to carry dongles defeats the goal of portability.  Sort of like 
a highway improved in one area only to move the traffic jam further down 
the road.

>
>> This "vocal minority" (who you either like or hate - there's no
>> in-between)
>
> Oh come on; get real. Tribalism, in all of its forms, is ignorant and
> counter productive. The world is not black and white. I own a few DSLRs,
> so I'm one who could benefit from a built-in card reader; but you don't
> see me bitching about Apple removing it because I am an adult
> professional who realizes space and ports are a limited resource on
> portables and there are higher priority things to worry about. It's
> definitely not a black & white thing.

There is plenty of room on the MBA for an SD slot.

>
>> lives by producing video on a near daily basis (and he's
>> both very good at it and successful):
>> Watch from 4:15 to skip the pre-fill.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QpJ_VDbIPA
>> Again, this is a very successful video maker.  Real.  Reference.  No
>> computer genius.  He's a content creator.
>>
>> Watch from 2:00 for an amusing bit that will amuse someone around here.
>
> "Amusing" isn't quite the word I'd choose, no. He says in the video he
> purchased Apple's *most* expensive and powerful machine...just to run a
> file server with drives attached - something a lowly Mac mini can do
> that all day every day for a *fraction* of the cost. I'd love to swap

Oh.  You totally, completely missed the point.  He bought the Mac Pro to 
be his video editing workhorse.  Instead as that did not work out it's 
been relegated to server duty.  He could have sold it, but with his 
revenue stream probably not worth the hassle.

> one of my Mac minis with him. I'd put that machine to *real* use.
> Really. Reference. No Computer genius. Clearly. : )

Computers are not made just for computer geniuses.  If you don't get why 
that's relevant ...

His gripes about
> needing dongles is valid, but not a deal-breaker (notice he's keeping
> the computer, despite all the whining). His gripe about the loss of
> MagSafe is valid, but also not a deal breaker. These are growing pains
> and nothing more.

He represents what Apple purport to cater to: Creatives. Much of their 
marketing is towards creative people.  But their design teams don't seem 
to grasp that in its entirety.

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-02 23:26 -0400
  Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-03 03:34 +0000
  Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-03 08:41 -0400
    Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-03 08:46 -0400
    Re: Godo news for the Mac ! dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-05-04 01:24 +1200
      Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-05-03 12:06 -0400
        Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-03 12:16 -0400
          Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-03 17:26 +0000
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-03 13:56 -0400
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-03 18:05 +0000
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-05 11:05 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 10:07 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-05 14:23 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 10:45 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 15:03 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 11:20 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:54 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 12:22 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 20:49 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:38 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:46 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:45 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 10:12 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:05 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 16:28 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-06 13:33 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:52 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 17:19 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-06 14:32 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:49 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 17:19 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-06 14:31 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-07 19:54 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-08 11:07 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-08 15:22 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-08 12:54 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-08 19:42 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 22:54 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-08 19:39 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:53 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 19:59 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-05 22:30 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 23:55 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-06 00:24 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 00:35 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:26 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:19 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:21 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:27 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:28 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:33 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 15:36 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:50 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 21:05 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-05 16:45 +0100
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 20:50 +0000
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                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 23:16 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:22 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:45 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-05-06 08:55 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:10 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:11 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 16:28 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-07 10:48 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 18:51 -0400
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                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-07 10:46 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:44 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 10:27 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-06 15:15 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-06 00:23 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 00:35 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 14:02 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:44 -0400
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          Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-03 11:07 -0700
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-03 14:36 -0400
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                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-07 17:40 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-06 23:28 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-07 19:33 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:54 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:11 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-08 10:45 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-08 15:29 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:07 -0500
          Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-05 13:12 +1200
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:17 -0400
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-05 23:55 -0500
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 01:06 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:29 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 15:50 -0400
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 06:12 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-06 19:59 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-07 00:19 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-06 17:37 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:46 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-07 19:02 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-05-07 14:57 -0600
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-07 21:16 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 17:17 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-07 21:54 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-08 20:12 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-08 20:45 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-09 09:40 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-09 02:58 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-08 10:51 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 15:51 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-08 20:09 +0000
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-08 19:57 +0000
          Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 02:15 +0000
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 10:00 -0400
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 10:54 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 11:09 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 15:34 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 12:15 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-05 11:02 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 15:01 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:27 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:12 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 10:12 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-05 13:53 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:42 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 20:45 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-05 22:22 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-05 19:25 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 02:29 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 11:54 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 12:24 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 12:42 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 12:49 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 13:30 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 13:50 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-06 00:11 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-06 18:59 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:58 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-08 10:49 +1200
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-06 10:12 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 13:04 -0500
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-05-07 11:31 -0700
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-05-07 13:22 -0600
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 15:50 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-08 10:53 +1200
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 15:31 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-05 12:09 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-05 20:42 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-06 08:34 -0400
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 20:44 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-06 20:05 -0400
            Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-05 23:59 -0500
              Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-06 06:15 +0000
                Re: Godo news for the Mac ! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-05-07 12:49 -0500
          Re: Godo news for the Mac ! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-05 01:27 -0400

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