Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.
Date	2017-04-29 12:23 -0700
Message-ID	<D52A362F.A2422%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 4/29/17, 11:07 AM, in article op.yzgxzju2js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

...
>>>>> Snit ain't caucasian is he?
>>>>> 
>>>> I sincerely do not know if I am or if I am not,
>>> 
>>> Impossible.
>> 
>> I have no real opinion on the topic but there are many with very strong
>> opinions... both ways. It is far more of a political distinction than
>> anything else.
> 
> It's your race, you can tell by looking in the mirror.

A mirror does not show me the political distinctions. I have done DNA
testing and there is NOTHING there to indicate if I am "white". Seriously,
what criteria are you using? My ancestors were from Europe, but only for
2-3000 years and before that the Middle East. Does that make me European or
Middle Eastern? If you go with my skin, hair, and eyes that would be odd --
they are quite different than my siblings and parents (even though I am not
adopted... and not only is there no reason to think I have a different
father my genetic tests prove I do not).

If you have two siblings, with both parents the same, and one is light
skinned with fairly straight hair and blue eyes and a smaller nose and
another is darker skinned with darker and far more curly hair and brown eyes
and a larger "Middle Eastern" nose, then are you suggesting the two siblings
are of different races?

Again, while I know there are some with very strong opinions on if I am or
am not white, I really do not know, do not care much, and have never really
thought about it much in my life. Some say that in itself means I am, at
least in terms of how society treats me, but I have also faced significant
discrimination based on my heritage (though far less than many in the US).

> 
>>>> which some people have told me is functionally equivalent to being so.
>>>> 
>>>> But regardless of race, I am very much pro equal rights and against special
>>>> entitlements. I also understand, though, that it is not always black and
>>>> white, such as with the question of affirmative action. I am not for it but
>>>> I can see where good people would be.  But the naïveté of the special
>>>> snow-flake common worldview of "just don't break the law and work hard and
>>>> things will go well for you" is not something I can support. NOT that I do
>>>> not support (largely) following the law and working hard (I do) but the
>>>> idea
>>>> that this somehow fixes the issues we face is clearly very, very naïve.
>>> 
>>> What I'm against is companies having to employ say 15% blacks because the
>>> local population is 15% black.
>> 
>> I have never said I am for that. What I asked is if you had any suggested
>> solutions to the related issues. You do not.
> 
> Stop the above.

But you have no real idea what TO do, just know you do not like that. OK, I
am with you there.

>> Fair enough -- as I admitted I
>> have no full solution either. It is not an easy issue to solve, and cannot b
>> solved fully no matter what we do.
> 
> Nothing to solve.  Employers should employ who they want to employ.

Ah, your "solution" is to deny the problem and even to limit it just to
employment and ignore the societal problems as a whole. That is what a lot
of people who are not impacted strongly do... just want to sweep it under
the rug.

I think that is as bad as quotas. Maybe worse. At least with quotas there is
an acknowledgement of the problem and an attempt to move forward in a more
equitable way... but it leads to a LOT of problems and creates its own
inequities. 

>>> Blacks will be good at different jobs than whites,
>> 
>> Er?
> 
> They are not identical.

No two people are.

> Different races have different levels of intelligence, different physical
> strength etc.  

Hard to show support for this... especially with the IQ side of it.

> So do women and men.  Imagine if the road works department had
> to employ 50% women.  Can you imagine them digging all day?  They wouldn't
> want to.

I agree the best person for the job should get the job. But your "solution"
of ignoring the problem of discrimination does not more toward that.

>>> so making every company
>>> have the "correct" percentage is insane.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 21:37 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:30 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-28 21:48 +0000
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 23:47 +0100
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-28 22:49 +0000
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-29 15:01 +0100
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 16:00 -0700
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-29 15:02 +0100
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-29 19:07 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-29 12:23 -0700
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 15:51 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-28 23:00 +0000
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 16:10 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-28 23:34 +0000
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 18:32 -0700

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