Re: Apple out of the standalone display business

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Subject	Re: Apple out of the standalone display business
Date	2016-10-31 18:16 -0400
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In article <FPqdnZI105ZgJorFnZ2dnUU7-KPNnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> >>> Do you foresee a day when a minor footnote on an Apple-centric web site
> >>> reads "Apple Says It's Out of the Old-Fashioned Computer Business"?
> >>
> >> The seed is planted.
> >
> > Oh, please!  Anyone who has any real need for a lot of screen real
> > estate and processing power (including programmers and creatives,
> > especially anyone editing 4K video) will be in the market for a
> > ³real² computer.  The only point at which anyone could claim seeds
> > are being planted is when Apple itself moves their development off
> > of Macs.  Until then, their ³old-fashioned² computers aren¹t going
> > anywhere.
> 
> Seed: The macOS Sierra kernel indicates support for the ARM Hurricane 
> family.[1]
> 
> Seeds take time to sprout.

and to fertilize those seeds is apple's bitcode, where apps downloaded
from the app store can be recompiled to another architecture on the
fly.

> Apple have not been averse to changing CPU's in the past (they had an 
> intel based Mac lab back long before the announced (or rumoured for that 
> matter) "switch").

nextstep was running on intel in the early 90s, long before apple had
anything to do with it. nextstep ran on several architectures.

after apple bought next, they added powerpc (which they obviously had
to) while keeping intel going, 'because it's good to have options'.

> Recent Apple statements such as the computing power of the iPad Pro 
> ("More power than 80% of PC's"[2]); the power of the A10 chips 
> (including graphics) and so on point the direction at an ARM based macOS 
> - probably to be first intro'd in a MacBook Air class machine.

more likely, the retina macbook.

> Before the decade is out, I'd wager.  Probably in 2018.

i'm thinking sooner than that, likely at next year's wwdc, alongside
the first hardware to use the new apple file system.

> ARM's are "real" computers.  Despite their lean beginnings they've 
> evolved into powerful 64 bit SOC's with parallel evolution of GPU power.
> 
> ARM's are a lot cheaper than x86 to fabricate - throwing more cores 
> (including GPU's) at a Mac would cheaper than buying x86's.
> 
> Changing to an architecture that they control would be very appealing. 
> Especially when you don't pay for intel's margins.  Apple didn't buy 
> those CPU/ARM specialist companies for nothing - and leveraging them for 
> more only makes sense.

yep, and not just intel's margins, but to no longer be tied to intel's
schedule or road map.

> When rumors of the PPC to intel change were coming some people were 
> apoplectic.

people hate change no matter what it is.

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Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 12:40 -0400
  Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 17:51 -0400
    Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:59 -0400
      Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-10-31 15:44 +0000
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-31 14:26 -0400
          Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2016-10-31 15:16 -0400
            Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-31 16:52 -0400
          Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-01 15:46 +0000
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-31 17:47 -0400
          Re: Apple out of the standalone display business nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-31 18:16 -0400
          Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-01 16:11 +0000
            Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-02 09:22 +1300
              Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:46 -0400
            Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-01 16:42 -0400
              Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-02 15:35 +0000
                Re: Apple out of the standalone display business android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-02 16:49 +0100
                Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-02 18:25 +0000
                Re: Apple out of the standalone display business nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-02 12:03 -0400
                Re: Sierra application compatibility dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-11-03 14:17 +1300
                Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-02 19:09 -0400
    Re: Apple out of the standalone display business nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-11-02 14:45 -0600
      Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-02 18:32 -0400
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-11-03 15:13 +0000
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-03 17:10 -0400
      Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-03 13:04 +1300
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-11-02 20:17 -0600
          Re: Apple out of the standalone display business Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-03 18:20 +1300
        Re: Apple out of the standalone display business nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-03 00:25 -0400

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