Re: spinning beach ball of death

From	Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: spinning beach ball of death
Date	2015-08-30 10:12 +1200
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References	<mrrcqv$tgu$1@news.albasani.net> <280820152249099898%leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> <do_ray_me-7EDD24.16095729082015@aioe.org> <290820151855589154%YourName@YourISP.com> <mrsjr0$i17$1@news.albasani.net>

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In article <mrsjr0$i17$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
<wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
> On 8/29/15 12:55 AM, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <do_ray_me-7EDD24.16095729082015@aioe.org>, dorayme
> > <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> In article <280820152249099898%leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net>,
> >>   Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> In article <mrrcqv$tgu$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
> >>> <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The same page lists decreasing space on the hard drive for swapping
> >>>> files.  This may be a possibility, but I won't be able to check until
> >>>> next Wednesday.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any other simple checks we can do for the initial
> >>>> troubleshooting phase?
> >>>
> >>> Has the computer ever been shut down since she bought it? Sleep doesn't
> >>> count (Apple Menu). Don't do a Restart (Apple Menu) this time. Do a
> >>> Shut Down (Apple Menu). Puzzle over life for a minute and restart
> >>> however her particular Mac does that. That's where I'd start. I start
> >>> nearly every Apple glitch with, at the very least, a Restart. Better
> >>> advice to follow from the knowledgeable.
> >>
> >> Very good advice.
> >>
> >> The other thing at least to check when it is up and running is how
> >> much space is left on the hard drive. Select the icon for the hard
> >> drive or find the words that depict it in a directory and go to the
> >> File menu when in Finder and choose Get Information, there you should
> >> see the capacity and what is available.
> >>
> >> You might also find out what RAM is installed, if the user is using up
> >> lots of it with programs dealing with large files, further action
> >> might need to be taken like a management strategy or simply increasing
> >> hardware RAM.
> >>
> >> Also see what happens when you regularly quite Safari and restart it
> >> with less tabs open (you can recover tabs when needed by looking at
> >> the History in this program, it is main menu item.
> >
> > That can be another issue, especially for ex-Windoze users. They don't
> > know how to use a real computer, so tend to simply close the document
> > window and leave the application running, which of course takes up RAM.
> > Too many applications running at once will cause system slowness.
> > Unused applications should be swapped out and not brought back in until
> > needed, but there are some applications (like Mail constantly checking
> > for new emails) that continue to run without any open windows.
> 
> "They don't> know how to use a real computer,..."  I think all computers 
> are "real" computers, just different ways of doing things.  And some 
> systems are better at some things than others.

Nah, Windoze is just an inferior copy, toy OS full of issues and bugs.




> IMO, in a situation like this, actually using a computer, the problem 
> isn't the computer, it's the lack of knowledge at the user's end that's 
> the issue/problem.  There are always new users to computers, or new 
> users of another platform, that need basic information.  There's a 
> definite attitude out there of long time users who are unable or 
> unwilling to admit there are users who do NOT have the basic knowledge 
> of things like how files are organized on a drive, or copy/cut/paste, 
> and a whole host of other basics.  Manufacturers used to provide this 
> information in manuals that came with every new computer, but today you 
> barely get information on how to connect things.
> 
> I have a Windows friend who operates this way.  She always has a number 
> of applications running in the Taskbar, and I can't get across to her 
> there's a fixed amount of RAM + Virtual Memory (pagefile.sys) that is 
> being filled up and the computer will definitely slow down.  I can't 
> seem to get the idea of limited RAM is available, or get her to change 
> her ways.  <sigh>
> 
> I have this problem, but I at least know the root cause is me!  LOL

I've seen it a lot as part of my job. The problem is that Windoze and
many users run *everything* in full screen, so have no idea you can
actually use multiple applications and swap between them - they open
and close the applications constantly.

Even copy-pasting text between documents can mean opening one document,
copying the text, closing that "document" (in reality closing the
application), then opening the second document (often re-opening the
same application again) to paste into.

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    Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-08-29 09:10 -0600
  Re: spinning beach ball of death Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-28 22:49 -0700
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  Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-02 16:58 -0600
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                Re: spinning beach ball of death Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-04 03:44 +0000
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-03 16:15 +1200
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-03 20:47 -0600
            Re: spinning beach ball of death Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-03 03:59 +0000
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                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-03 21:11 -0600
                Re: spinning beach ball of death nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 23:49 -0400
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-03 20:50 -0600
                Re: spinning beach ball of death nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-03 23:49 -0400
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 09:45 -0600
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                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 17:13 -0600
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                Re: spinning beach ball of death dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-09-05 10:09 +1000
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 18:23 -0600
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              Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-03 20:48 -0600
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                Re: spinning beach ball of death Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-09-04 18:20 +1200
                Re: spinning beach ball of death Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2015-09-04 09:21 -0600
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