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| Started by | Max Muller <maxmuller@info.gathering> |
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| First post | 2016-04-15 14:10 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-04-27 18:59 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 227 — 29 participants |
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Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Max Muller <maxmuller@info.gathering> - 2016-04-15 14:10 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Marob Katon <marobkaton@examples.com> - 2016-04-15 15:22 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) » Chevron « <C@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-15 11:29 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Marob Katon <marobkaton@examples.com> - 2016-04-15 15:38 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) » Chevron « <C@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-15 11:46 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-15 16:20 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 11:30 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Marob Katon <marobkaton@examples.com> - 2016-04-15 15:37 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 11:47 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Rene lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-04-15 10:28 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 19:36 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Rene lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-04-15 13:04 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 21:05 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-16 00:32 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-16 09:42 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-16 14:04 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:18 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 09:58 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 11:10 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 13:27 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 15:14 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-18 18:27 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 23:59 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-19 13:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:10 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-19 13:19 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 14:23 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-19 18:56 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 19:08 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-21 07:59 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-19 04:09 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-19 12:59 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-20 00:15 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:42 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Rene lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-04-16 10:07 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:21 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:36 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:01 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:46 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-24 21:50 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-24 19:37 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-04-24 16:03 -0700
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:19 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Rene lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-04-16 19:45 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 14:59 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-15 21:52 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-16 00:36 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-16 01:11 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:23 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:47 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:27 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:25 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-04-16 11:27 +1000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-16 09:47 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:35 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 20:40 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 01:04 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 21:16 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 02:15 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 03:11 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 03:09 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:53 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 14:28 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:50 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-04-17 13:34 +1000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 10:01 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:49 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:29 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 20:32 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 01:10 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 21:16 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 02:17 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:53 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 14:34 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:49 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-17 07:48 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 10:02 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-16 09:36 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:40 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 10:08 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:57 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 13:31 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2016-04-16 02:36 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-16 09:54 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-24 23:57 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 16:00 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2016-04-15 18:45 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 19:57 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2016-04-16 04:18 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-16 04:34 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2016-04-21 06:23 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-21 04:41 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2016-04-15 12:33 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:44 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 16:58 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 13:06 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-15 17:09 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-04-15 13:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 14:10 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-04-15 15:49 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:07 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-04-15 17:54 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-15 20:37 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-15 21:59 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-25 00:03 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2016-04-15 13:36 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 14:37 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-04-15 15:53 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:07 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-15 21:55 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-25 00:00 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-24 18:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-25 22:23 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-25 16:32 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-26 23:39 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-27 03:23 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:11 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 13:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-27 22:01 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-28 00:14 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-25 23:15 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2016-04-15 17:37 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-15 14:25 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 14:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-04-15 14:44 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-15 15:06 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-15 15:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2016-04-16 03:01 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-16 06:04 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-04-16 13:39 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-04-16 20:05 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 02:01 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:45 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 15:59 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 10:16 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-04-17 14:01 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 19:19 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-04-18 09:39 +1000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-18 04:25 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 15:35 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:10 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-18 14:10 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 14:15 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-18 18:21 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-25 00:15 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-24 18:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-25 22:26 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-25 16:32 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-26 23:42 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:13 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 13:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-28 00:00 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 18:02 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-25 23:19 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-26 23:45 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:16 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-27 13:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-27 18:58 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-28 00:10 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-28 11:06 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-04-16 21:18 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:44 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-16 06:05 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-04-16 13:42 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-17 06:46 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 20:02 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-15 15:38 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-04-15 14:33 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> - 2016-04-15 16:25 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> - 2016-04-16 12:03 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-16 05:56 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-16 11:44 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:51 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 02:53 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-04-16 13:53 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-16 08:37 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-16 16:26 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-16 09:50 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 02:03 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 03:17 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 16:02 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-04-17 10:09 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 15:43 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 14:48 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Rene lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2016-04-17 08:31 -0500
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 16:47 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 16:04 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 09:18 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 11:09 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-16 11:24 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-16 16:22 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:54 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 20:56 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 02:09 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-04-17 13:44 +1000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 00:50 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 20:51 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> - 2016-04-17 01:12 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-16 21:16 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 03:15 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@example.com> - 2016-04-17 05:13 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 06:13 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 12:17 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-17 16:01 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2016-04-16 11:44 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@example.com> - 2016-04-17 05:17 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 06:13 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2016-04-17 13:03 +0100
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Dave Doe <hard@work.ok> - 2016-04-25 10:24 +1200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 00:51 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:18 +0200
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-04-27 15:44 -0400
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-27 20:00 +0000
Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-27 18:59 +0000
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-17 10:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <HYOdnQjPX_RPB47KnZ2dnUU7-VPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #35206 |
On 2016-04-16 22:01, Joe Clock wrote:
> The Apple Apologists don't know what "dead simple" means.
If it means an OS that doesn't need a registry, then yeah, we have a
pretty clear idea.
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2016-04-17 14:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <yMOdnU2-gJjyQI7KnZ2dnUU7-Y2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #35206 |
In alt.windows7.general Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:05:19 -0500, Ant wrote:
> > What about for iPhones with everything else and NOT requiring to install
> > iTunes?
> I don't have an iPhone so I wouldn't know how that works. I never claimed
> to know everything. I just know that iTunes is bloatware which isn't needed
> to manage iPods.
> Looking at the Sharepod home page https://www.getsharepod.com/ it says
> "Sharepod is a dead simple music transfer app.
> It allows you to copy songs, videos, podcasts and more
> from any iPhone, iPad or iPod to your PC computer and into
> iTunes."
> So, I would assume that you can transfer any MP3 file from any iPhone
> to and from any PC on your network to and from any iPhone that's
> also on your network, "dead simple", just like the web site says.
> The Apple Apologists don't know what "dead simple" means.
Ah, no Contacts, Calendars, Notes, etc. Just audio. :( Is there even a
third party that can do those without iTunes? :/
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-17 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dni5ttFh9tdU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35270 |
On 2016-04-17, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > In alt.windows7.general Joe Clock <jclock@aioe.org> wrote: > >> I don't have an iPhone so I wouldn't know how that works. I never claimed >> to know everything. I just know that iTunes is bloatware which isn't needed >> to manage iPods. >> >> The Apple Apologists don't know what "dead simple" means. > > Ah, no Contacts, Calendars, Notes, etc. Just audio. :( Is there even a > third party that can do those without iTunes? :/ There's no single Windows program that does everything iTunes does. There are various disparate programs that do one or two things here and there; but none of them do everything. That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality that the user interface is unwieldy, and arguably could be better designed as a group of separate apps that handle different parts of its functionality. But even if we all agree iTunes is bloatware, that doesn't magically mean it's also horrible in every way, or malware, or some sort of infestation. And the claims by the trolls here in this thread that removing iTunes from Windows is impossibly hard are lies. A quick visit to Control Panels > Add/Remove Programs and a few clicks is all that is needed - I know because I've done it more times than I've bothered to count on various Windows PCs through many years. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-18 09:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-036CFA.09390018042016@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com> |
| In reply to | #35273 |
In article <dni5ttFh9tdU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered > by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality > that the user interface is unwieldy, and arguably could be better > designed as a group of separate apps that handle different parts of its > functionality. > > But even if we all agree iTunes is bloatware, that doesn't magically > mean it's also horrible in every way, or malware, or some sort of > infestation. That is not a bad summary of the situation. Every now and again you say something right... but, of course, so would a monkey on a typewriter. Yes, I know, you love me too. -- dorayme
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| From | Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2016-04-18 04:25 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) |
| Message-ID | <MPG.317e63f5e2288c0798f780@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35273 |
On 17 Apr 2016 19:19:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered
> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality
> that the user interface is unwieldy,
That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware
because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed. Getting rid
of that stuff is not as difficult as some have said, but more
complicated than just Programs and Features » Uninstall as others
have said.
I've already posted a link to the Web page where I discuss this, with
specific instructions for curbing the bloat.
I don't really see a major problem with the user interface. It's not
perfect, but what user interface is?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-18 15:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) |
| Message-ID | <dnkd5eF5kp5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35292 |
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On 17 Apr 2016 19:19:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: >> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered >> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality >> that the user interface is unwieldy, > > That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware > because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed. You're basically saying the same thing. Those things it installs support features you claim aren't needed. But other people do want those features. I know because I'm one of them. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-18 13:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) |
| Message-ID | <180420161310259707%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35295 |
In article <dnkd5eF5kp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > On 17 Apr 2016 19:19:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered > >> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality > >> that the user interface is unwieldy, > > > > That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware > > because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed. > > You're basically saying the same thing. Those things it installs support > features you claim aren't needed. But other people do want those features. > I know because I'm one of them. the only reason he thinks they aren't needed is because he doesn't know what they do. for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing without having to configure anything. they also don't use any cpu resources when idle so there is no downside.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-18 14:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Apple will no longer fix Quicktime security bugs (only solution is to uninstall) |
| Message-ID | <nf37ns$enq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35297 |
nospam wrote:
> In article <dnkd5eF5kp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> On 17 Apr 2016 19:19:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered
>>>> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality
>>>> that the user interface is unwieldy,
>>> That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware
>>> because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed.
>> You're basically saying the same thing. Those things it installs support
>> features you claim aren't needed. But other people do want those features.
>> I know because I'm one of them.
>
> the only reason he thinks they aren't needed is because he doesn't know
> what they do.
>
> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing
> without having to configure anything.
>
> they also don't use any cpu resources when idle so there is no downside.
As a Mac owner, I never take anything for granted.
http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/15/disable-bonjour-by-turning-off-mdnsresponder/
I used to turn off mDNSresponder on my Mac G4 running 10.2.7 (picked
for its ability to run MacOS 9.04 at the same time). And I don't
even remember the hairball at the time, that made me do that.
Windows has similar features. There is SSDP, whose only function
is to make "fancy" looking icons for your printer or NAS. but,
that service can be disabled without preventing anything from
working. And my rule of thumb is, I only get interested in
"sticking a fork" in a subsystem, when it makes a nuisance of
itself. I don't know what mDNSresponder was doing at the time,
but it got my interest enough to be in the habit of killing it.
And here you see the "pace of progress". mDNSresponder replaced by
DiscoveryD replaced by the older mDNSresponder again.
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/05/26/apple-discoveryd-replaced-with-mdnsresponder/
We have other examples in Windows, of things that don't
behave, and have their run privileges removed. On my
Win10 machine right now, it's the Search Indexer that
doesn't read any files, and rails one core on the CPU
100% all night. And that's soon to get the fork.
It's the "Gong show for Services".
I don't see any reason to dump on users who are
savvy enough to recognize problems and deal with them.
Paul
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-18 14:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180420161415273864%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35298 |
In article <nf37ns$enq$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote: > >>>> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered > >>>> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality > >>>> that the user interface is unwieldy, > >>> That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware > >>> because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed. > >> You're basically saying the same thing. Those things it installs support > >> features you claim aren't needed. But other people do want those features. > >> I know because I'm one of them. > > > > the only reason he thinks they aren't needed is because he doesn't know > > what they do. > > > > for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing > > without having to configure anything. > > > > they also don't use any cpu resources when idle so there is no downside. > > As a Mac owner, I never take anything for granted. > > http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/15/disable-bonjour-by-turning-off-mdnsresponder/ that's *seven years old* ..snip.. > I don't see any reason to dump on users who are > savvy enough to recognize problems and deal with them. they're not removing stuff because of problems. they're removing stuff when there's no problem at all, done entirely out of ignorance.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-18 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dnkmtdF7ttgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35299 |
On 2016-04-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <nf37ns$enq$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote: > >> >>>> That's kind of the point of this whole sub-thread: iTunes is considered >> >>>> by many people to be bloatware because it contains so much functionality >> >>>> that the user interface is unwieldy, >> >>> That's not why I consider it bloatware. I consider it bloatware >> >>> because it installs a bunch of stuff that isn't needed. >> >> You're basically saying the same thing. Those things it installs support >> >> features you claim aren't needed. But other people do want those features. >> >> I know because I'm one of them. >> > >> > the only reason he thinks they aren't needed is because he doesn't know >> > what they do. >> > >> > for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing >> > without having to configure anything. >> > >> > they also don't use any cpu resources when idle so there is no downside. >> >> As a Mac owner, I never take anything for granted. >> >> http://osxdaily.com/2009/09/15/disable-bonjour-by-turning-off-mdnsresponder/ > > that's *seven years old* > > ..snip.. It's also not about Windows... >> I don't see any reason to dump on users who are >> savvy enough to recognize problems and deal with them. > > they're not removing stuff because of problems. they're removing stuff > when there's no problem at all, done entirely out of ignorance. Yep. What we see in this thread so far are people bitching about the mere *existence* of software packages that were installed, regardless of the functionality they enable. Instead, they seem to *assume* the packages are completely worthless, which is untrue. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-25 00:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfjgij$17m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #35297 |
On 04-18-2016 19:10, nospam wrote: > for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing > without having to configure anything. That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, but two in the past few months required me to download and install software from the printer manufacturers' websites. Ironically (considering the general flow of this thread), most of that software turned out to be entirely unnecessary. Even weirder, I later removed all of it and later had reasons to use the same printers (they belonged to other people). When I selected the printer, the Mac told me that Apple had drivers and would I like to install them? Saying yes ran an installer for a few seconds and then the printer worked without all the crap the manufacturer's program dropped into my Dock and /Applications. HOWEVER, how the heck is having a PRINTER "just work" necessary for iTunes?
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-24 18:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <240420161828485356%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35400 |
In article <nfjgij$17m$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > > for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing > > without having to configure anything. > > That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, > but two in the past few months required me to download and install > software from the printer manufacturers' websites. os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where there are no drivers to be found).
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| From | "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-25 22:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfluho$1sh7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #35406 |
On 04-25-2016 00:28, nospam wrote: > In article <nfjgij$17m$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo > <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing >>> without having to configure anything. >> >> That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, >> but two in the past few months required me to download and install >> software from the printer manufacturers' websites. > > os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and > recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary > drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the > user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where > there are no drivers to be found). What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple drivers were downloaded. But NOT automatically—Mac asked me for permission first.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <250420161632199949%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35441 |
In article <nfluho$1sh7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing > >>> without having to configure anything. > >> > >> That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, > >> but two in the past few months required me to download and install > >> software from the printer manufacturers' websites. > > > > os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and > > recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary > > drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the > > user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where > > there are no drivers to be found). > > What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the > crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple > drivers were downloaded. But NOT automatically‹Mac asked me for > permission first. then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any drivers. normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works.
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| From | "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 23:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfonch$8bh$6@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #35443 |
On 04-25-2016 22:32, nospam wrote: > In article <nfluho$1sh7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo > <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>>>> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing >>>>> without having to configure anything. >>>> >>>> That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, >>>> but two in the past few months required me to download and install >>>> software from the printer manufacturers' websites. >>> >>> os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and >>> recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary >>> drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the >>> user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where >>> there are no drivers to be found). >> >> What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the >> crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple >> drivers were downloaded. But NOT automatically‹Mac asked me for >> permission first. > > then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any > drivers. > > normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works. Why not read the post before you answer? Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded."
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-26 18:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <260420161805420042%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35496 |
In article <nfonch$8bh$6@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>>>> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing > >>>>> without having to configure anything. > >>>> > >>>> That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, > >>>> but two in the past few months required me to download and install > >>>> software from the printer manufacturers' websites. > >>> > >>> os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and > >>> recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary > >>> drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the > >>> user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where > >>> there are no drivers to be found). > >> > >> What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the > >> crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple > >> drivers were downloaded. But NOT automaticallyÐMac asked me for > >> permission first. > > > > then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any > > drivers. > > > > normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works. > > Why not read the post before you answer? why don't you do the same? > Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. > Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the > SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. > OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded." in other words, you modified the system, altering the way it normally works. on an out of the box mac, plug and print. it just works. at most, you only need to add the printer. it's very simple. been there done that many times.
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| From | "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 16:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfqhdu$pbd$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #35501 |
On 04-27-2016 00:05, nospam wrote: > In article <nfonch$8bh$6@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo > <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>> for instance, with bonjour, just plug in a printer and start printing >>>>>>> without having to configure anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> That has definitely NOT been my experience on Mac. Most printers work, >>>>>> but two in the past few months required me to download and install >>>>>> software from the printer manufacturers' websites. >>>>> >>>>> os x includes support for a shitload of printers, both current and >>>>> recent, so all that's needed is connect the printer. if the necessary >>>>> drivers are not there, they're automatically downloaded without the >>>>> user needing to do anything (assuming the printer is not ancient where >>>>> there are no drivers to be found). >>>> >>>> What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the >>>> crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple >>>> drivers were downloaded. But NOT automaticallyÐMac asked me for >>>> permission first. >>> >>> then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any >>> drivers. >>> >>> normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works. >> >> Why not read the post before you answer? > > why don't you do the same? > >> Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. >> Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the >> SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. >> OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded." > > in other words, you modified the system, altering the way it normally > works. > > on an out of the box mac, plug and print. it just works. at most, you > only need to add the printer. it's very simple. been there done that > many times. > LAST repetition. Neither of them worked and Apple did not install anything nor offer to do so. I downloaded what the manufacturer claimed was needed, and then they worked. Then I removed the crap the manufacturer said I needed. Second time I went where those printers were, Apple did offer to download drivers.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 13:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <270420161305176660%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35511 |
In article <nfqhdu$pbd$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>>> What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the > >>>> crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple > >>>> drivers were downloaded. But NOT automaticallyÐMac asked me for > >>>> permission first. > >>> > >>> then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any > >>> drivers. > >>> > >>> normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works. > >> > >> Why not read the post before you answer? > > > > why don't you do the same? > > > >> Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. > >> Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the > >> SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. > >> OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded." > > > > in other words, you modified the system, altering the way it normally > > works. > > > > on an out of the box mac, plug and print. it just works. at most, you > > only need to add the printer. it's very simple. been there done that > > many times. > > > LAST repetition. Neither of them worked and Apple did not install > anything nor offer to do so. I downloaded what the manufacturer claimed > was needed, and then they worked. Then I removed the crap the > manufacturer said I needed. Second time I went where those printers > were, Apple did offer to download drivers. again: you had an obscure printer that was not directly supported so you had to manually install drivers, a printer so unusual that you're too embarrassed to even say its model number.
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| From | "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nfrcpj$12ts$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #35516 |
On 04-27-2016 19:05, nospam wrote: > In article <nfqhdu$pbd$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo > <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>>>>> What I said happened, happened. They did not work until I installed the >>>>>> crap from the manufacturers. SECOND time around, the less bloated Apple >>>>>> drivers were downloaded. But NOT automaticallyÐMac asked me for >>>>>> permission first. >>>>> >>>>> then it must be some obscure printer for which it couldn't find any >>>>> drivers. >>>>> >>>>> normally it's plug and print without any fuss at all. it just works. >>>> >>>> Why not read the post before you answer? >>> >>> why don't you do the same? >>> >>>> Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. >>>> Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the >>>> SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. >>>> OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded." >>> >>> in other words, you modified the system, altering the way it normally >>> works. >>> >>> on an out of the box mac, plug and print. it just works. at most, you >>> only need to add the printer. it's very simple. been there done that >>> many times. >>> >> LAST repetition. Neither of them worked and Apple did not install >> anything nor offer to do so. I downloaded what the manufacturer claimed >> was needed, and then they worked. Then I removed the crap the >> manufacturer said I needed. Second time I went where those printers >> were, Apple did offer to download drivers. > > again: you had an obscure printer that was not directly supported so > you had to manually install drivers, a printer so unusual that you're > too embarrassed to even say its model number. Yet another repetition: it was not my printer. And never did I claim to be embarrassed to not remember the model number. I described what happened, and my biggest mistake was in attempting to have a conversation with someone whose main goal in life is to call as many people as possible "liar" Good-bye.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-04-27 18:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <270420161802467582%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #35536 |
In article <nfrcpj$12ts$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Repeat: Deleted the crap thinking I'd never need it again. > >>>> Which turned out to be correct, because when I _did_ want to use the > >>>> SAME printers again, Apple offered to install their drivers. > >>>> OFFERED, not "automatically downloaded." > >>> > >>> in other words, you modified the system, altering the way it normally > >>> works. > >>> > >>> on an out of the box mac, plug and print. it just works. at most, you > >>> only need to add the printer. it's very simple. been there done that > >>> many times. > >>> > >> LAST repetition. Neither of them worked and Apple did not install > >> anything nor offer to do so. I downloaded what the manufacturer claimed > >> was needed, and then they worked. Then I removed the crap the > >> manufacturer said I needed. Second time I went where those printers > >> were, Apple did offer to download drivers. > > > > again: you had an obscure printer that was not directly supported so > > you had to manually install drivers, a printer so unusual that you're > > too embarrassed to even say its model number. > > Yet another repetition: it was not my printer. it doesn't matter who owned it. > And never did I claim to be embarrassed to not remember the model > number. I described what happened, and my biggest mistake was in > attempting to have a conversation with someone whose main goal in life > is to call as many people as possible "liar" i didn't call you a liar. i told you how printing works in os x. you said you had a different experience, so i told you why that would have happened.
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