Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)

From	Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
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Subject	Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)
Date	2024-07-29 01:56 +0000
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Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:29:35 -0400 :

> You ignore the effect that the Apple M series CPU has had on the laptop
> space. The race to convert to Snapdragon is well underway. The A series
> phone CPU is no slouch either. Then there is that whole Apple support
> network. In my extensive Android experience there was NOTHING like that.

Bear in mind I use iPhones and iPads and Android phones every day where
you'll never hear me disagree with any sensibly logical stated viewpoint.

The main difference between me and most of the people who post to the Apple
newsgroups is I don't believe every word that Apple claims in
advertisements - and - in fact - I see how much Apple lies in its
marketing.

To your points though...

What I like about the highly flawed (unpatchable) M-series CPUs is that it
put Intel on notice that they'd better improve their chip design output.

In that sense, I completely agree with you, and I agree with Apple's
strategy (as they tried with Qualcomm) to divorce themselves from others.

It's a crapshoot as to what Apple's strategy is with smartphone CPUs as
there are plenty of indications it's purely a (brilliant) marketing ploy.

Suffice to say that Android phones leapfrog Apple iPhones regularly, just
as Apple iPhones leapfrog Android phones regularly - where I strongly
suspect it would be the case no matter which CPU Apple/Android used.

CPU technology increases along with all other chip-design technology.

As for "that whole Apple support network" statement, you ignore that Apple
has the worst operating system support in the industry (e.g., every other
common consumer operating system vendor fully supports multiple releases
simultaneously - except Apple - who only supports one).
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

In addition, you ignore that Windows is supported for a decade per version,
while Samsung and Google support their new phones for seven years lately,
while Apple is, again, the worst support in the industry, at five years.
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-security-updates-five-year-minimum/>
<https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/6/24172843/apple-iphone-minimum-five-years-security-updates>
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-reveals-its-iphone-gets-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates/>
<https://mashable.com/article/apple-iphone-security-updates-5-years>
<https://www.imore.com/iphone/apple-says-your-new-iphone-will-get-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates-but-history-suggests-itll-be-significantly-longer>
<https://appleworld.today/apple-commits-to-minimum-of-five-years-of-iphone-security-software-updates-from-the-date-a-device-is-launched/>

While the Apple religious zealots will hope to dear God that Apple
will fully support their devices longer than that, Apple still only
fully supports a single release - such that here's are reasons iPhones
always have more zero day holes and there are reasons why the iPhone
is (and always was!) the most actively exploited phone in history.
*End of Life? End of Support? End of Security Updates?*
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8415153>

Having said that, the one thing Apple does do better than anyone else is
the sophomoric support at the Apple Store Genius Bar for clueless people.

My mom uses that Genius Bar all the time - but every time I used it, I was
appalled at what they didn't know (e.g., they didn't know what a decibel is
when I was complaining about poor cellular reception).

They're free.
They're friendly.
They're in every town.

But they can only show you where the settings app is on your iPhone.

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