Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)

From	-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject	Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)
Date	2024-07-22 15:16 -0400
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On 7/22/24 11:06 AM, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :
> 
>> nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
>>
>> Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
>> decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments.  This leads us back
>> to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
>> personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
>> is totally absurd and followed by literally no one.  Likewise, his
>> apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and
>> immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
>>
>> Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
>> his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
>> illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
>> outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them
>> in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple.  Yeah, hypocritical.
>>
>> As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any
>> technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
> 
> An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.
> 
> The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on R&D as
> a percentage of revenue ...

Oh, look, "as a percentage of revenue..": its a goalpost move attempt!


> - and - plenty of phone companies spend more even
> though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total revenue.

And of course you can clearly explain why that's relevant...right?


> Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.

Really?  I was under the impression that the Android fanboys keep on 
harping that the total worldwide Android sales is bigger than Apple.
Better go check your revenue numbers again...

...and especially not get them confused with net profits.



> It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind
> Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
> is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.

*Yawn* others have already done so

> 
> HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone
> technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.

Because that's invalid because Tile isn't exclusively Android.



> Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated upon
> in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.
> 
> Hint: You can't.

Well, there is Apple Vision Pro's EyeSight Feature:  its innovative 
enough that Meta has tried to file a patent clone/derivative of it:


<https://www.patentlyapple.com/2024/07/monkey-see-monkey-do-meta-files-patent-designed-to-mimic-apple-vision-pros-eyesight-feature.html>

> 
> Why not?
> Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.
> 
> Prove me wrong.
> That's what an adult would do.

Already done, repeatedly.  Now "adult up" and accept being wrong.


-hh

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