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Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence)
Date 2024-07-31 15:24 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <v8dkv0$1l7u4$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-31 05:50:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 02:01 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
>>>>> On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
>>>>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
>>>>>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
>>>>>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
>>>>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
>>>>> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
>>>>> reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
>>>>> uttinf
>>>>> Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
>>>> another fad  gimmick ...
>>> 
>>> Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
>>> Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
>> [snip]
>> 
>> Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
> 
> As far as I can find, the only people who actually like AI are those 
> making money from creating it or pointlessly adding it to every product 
> they sell to get gullible to upgrade yet again.  :-\

"AI" has so many different meanings that it depends on who you ask. 

Most "AI" is some form of statistical modelling - ML, ANN, DL, CNN - which
has been around for decades and is very powerful & useful. In the right
context. 

Trying to disentangle real AI - oxymoron? - versus snakeoil "AI" is tricky.
Even in the scientific community there's little distinction by the funders,
propagating the uncertainty.

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The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-20 03:09 +0000
  Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-19 20:16 -0700
  Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-20 07:07 -0400
    Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-20 11:25 +0000
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-20 13:56 +0000
    Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-07-20 10:49 -0400
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-20 15:04 +0000
        Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 01:59 +0000
          Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-20 22:06 -0400
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 02:14 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-21 10:03 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 14:26 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-07-21 17:26 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 17:57 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-21 19:09 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-21 16:11 -0700
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-07-22 13:18 +1200
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-21 17:24 -0700
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-07-22 10:10 +1200
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-22 02:09 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-21 19:24 -0700
        Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-21 06:26 -0400
          Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-21 11:19 +0000
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-31 05:50 +0000
    Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-07-21 11:13 +1200
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 01:56 +0000
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-20 22:01 -0400
        Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 02:06 +0000
          Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-20 22:10 -0400
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 05:29 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-21 10:03 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 14:23 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-21 19:06 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-22 02:29 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-21 19:32 -0700
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-22 10:46 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-22 15:06 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-07-22 15:16 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-22 12:24 -0700
          Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-21 02:54 +0000
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 05:24 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-21 09:50 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-21 14:15 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-21 17:26 -0700
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-22 07:29 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-22 12:57 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-22 14:28 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-22 18:31 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-23 04:50 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-23 20:17 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-07-24 00:04 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-24 11:15 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-24 09:28 -0700
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-22 07:27 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-22 14:19 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-28 20:29 -0400
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-07-29 01:56 +0000
                Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-29 12:59 -0700
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        Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-31 05:50 +0000
          Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-07-31 19:35 +1200
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-07-31 10:20 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-07-31 09:24 -0700
            Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-07-31 15:24 +0000
              Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-02 06:00 +0000
    Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Norman Sylvia <iliketowatch@cox.net> - 2024-07-20 20:33 -0400
      Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-07-21 15:29 +1200
        Re: The facts show Apple is two generations behind Android in AI (artificial intelligence) Norman Sylvia <nsylvia1@cox.net> - 2024-07-21 20:18 -0400

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