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  Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 20:58 +0000
    Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:33 +0000
      Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:55 +0000
        Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-27 22:25 +0000
          Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 06:18 +0000
          Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:25 +0000
          Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-06 22:45 +0000
            Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 00:08 +0100
              Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 06:04 +0000
              Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 09:56 +0000
                Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:11 +0100
                  Re: Printer Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 12:51 +0000
                    Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:48 +0100
                      Re: Printer M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:08 +0000
                        Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 18:26 +0100
                        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 17:39 +0000
                        Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:59 +0100
        Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:35 +0000
          Re: Printer John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:43 +0000
        Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:45 +0000
        Re: Printer "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 13:38 +0000
          Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:32 +0100
        Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-28 21:39 +0000
          Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 23:01 +0000
            Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 03:14 +0100
              Re: Printer "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:20 +0000
                Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:15 +0000
                  Re: Printer probus <probus@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-29 13:01 +0000
                    Re: Printer John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 10:13 +0000
                  Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-01 01:51 +0100
                    Re: Printer Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-02 11:53 +0000
                Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:36 +0000
                  Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 13:05 +0100
                    Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-29 22:31 +0000
                      Re: Printer Patric@invalid.com - 2012-03-01 01:54 +0100
                        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 08:04 +0000
                      Re: Printer Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-01 02:00 +0100
                      Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:41 +0100
                        Re: Printer Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2012-03-01 07:32 +0000
                          Re: Printer Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-03-01 16:42 +0000
                            Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 23:44 +0100
              Re: Printer Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 10:40 +0000
              Re: Printer Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 11:29 +0000
                Re: Printer patric <patric@invalid.com> - 2012-02-29 13:35 +0100
                  Re: Printer Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 12:56 +0000
                    Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-29 14:06 +0000
                  Re: Printer Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-29 14:06 +0000
                  Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:58 +0100
                    Re: Printer Patric@invalid.com - 2012-03-01 12:52 +0100
              Re: Printer Mark Beerling <notvalid@online.de> - 2012-02-29 18:33 +0100
    Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 21:39 +0000
      Re: Printer Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 00:13 +0000
      Re: Printer Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 11:47 +0000
        Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 12:56 +0000
        Re: Printer Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-28 13:10 +0000
          Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 19:49 +0000
            Re: Printer Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 20:12 +0000
            Re: Printer Grahame Parish <spamtrap@millers-way.net> - 2012-02-28 21:15 +0000
        Re: Printer Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 18:45 +0000
    Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 22:16 +0000
      Re: Printer Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-02-27 23:00 +0000
      Re: Printer Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-02-28 06:06 +0000
        Re: Printer Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 04:30 +0100
      Re: Printer M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-02-28 10:20 +0000
    Re: Printer Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-02-28 20:59 +0000
    Re: Printer "Richard Torrens (News)" <News+15400@Torrens.org.uk> - 2012-03-01 08:29 +0000
      Re: Printer "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 09:35 +0000
        Re: Printer "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-01 10:31 +0000
          Re: Printer "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-01 12:46 +0000

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#3800

In article <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about
> the RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard
> RO printers still work.

Yes. I have a local printer on this machine as well as Uniprint.

-- 
*"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. * 

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#3861

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:38:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" 
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> *"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English 
language. *

"No."

;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3818

In message <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>,
>    John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server,
> > no direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.
> 
> > John
> 
> My later posting notes that's the way I'm leaning, and that is something I
> did some years ago with the PCs. (Since discontinued for reasons...)
> 
> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
> RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
> printers still work.

I discovered recently (indirectly) that UniPrint/Server seems to
offer the printer via the JetDirect protocol.  I presume R-Comp
also have their own printing protocol, which is in addition to
JetDirect.

!Printers can access any printer via JetDirect, using print to
file by means of either JetDirectFS or RemotePrinterFS.  That
gives you a way to transport data to the printer, but of course
you have to have a RISC OS printer driver for your chosen printer
so that it can generate a data stream that makes sense to the
printer.

In case it's not already clear, !Printers rolls two distinct tasks
into one: (1) turning the page into a data stream that the printer
can understand and use to print a good representation of the page;
(2) transporting that data stream to the printer, be it by serial,
parallel, USB, network or file[1].

So, broadly, you can either:

a) use a RISC OS printer driver, usually Gutenprint or PostScript
nowadays, and transport the data to the printer via the JetDirect
protocol.  The printer can be connected:

* directly to the Risc PC via serial;
* directly to the Risc PC via parallel;
* directly to your network if it's a network printer;
* indirectly to your network via a network print server box;
* indirectly to your network via UniPrint/server;
* (can it be connected to a Risc PC via USB?  I don't know.  A
  printer can be connected to an Iyonix or BeagleBoard via USB,
  but Risc PCs normally use the Simtec USB stack, and I don't
  know whether it supports printing.)

b) use R-Comp-s proprietary printing protocol via UniPrint/Server.

Note that your choice of connection scheme will affect what devices
other than the printer have to be turned on and running in order to
print from the different computers.

Dave

[1] And the "file" mechanism is extendable, so if someone invents
a new transport medium, in principle a module can be written to
interface with !Printers and transport the data stream over the
new medium.  Unlikely, but I add the information for completeness.

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#3824

In message <082dca6852.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
          Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> In message <526847c9acdave@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>> In article <mpro.m02mk900079eq04lo.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>,
>>    John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Get a network printer, Its what I use, or a usb/network printer server,
>>> no direct connection needed all your machines can print to it.
>> 
>>> John
>> 
>> My later posting notes that's the way I'm leaning, and that is something I
>> did some years ago with the PCs. (Since discontinued for reasons...)
>> 
>> If I go this route there's no problem with the Win PCs, but what about the
>> RO machines... I know they'll be able to see the printer via
>> UniPrint/Server and the printers ip address, but will the bog standard RO
>> printers still work.

> I discovered recently (indirectly) that UniPrint/Server seems to
> offer the printer via the JetDirect protocol.  I presume R-Comp
> also have their own printing protocol, which is in addition to
> JetDirect.

No it users the Unix standard LPD/LPR protocols or it can use 
jetdirect to the PC and then the PC prints to the printer. At the end 
of the day its does not matter as long as it prints!

The alternative is direct printing as below.

> !Printers can access any printer via JetDirect, using print to
> file by means of either JetDirectFS or RemotePrinterFS.  That
> gives you a way to transport data to the printer, but of course
> you have to have a RISC OS printer driver for your chosen printer
> so that it can generate a data stream that makes sense to the
> printer.

or use a Postscript driver, or almost any standard HP driver that uses 
one of the standard Laserjet 5 or 6 standards

I don't use JetDirect anywhere on my network of RiscPC's, ARMini, PC's 
and laptops to various network printers (one on a printer server) the 
rest direct (a couple are done via Uniprint) but the remainder are 
direct to the printer, use the LPR standard.

> In case it's not already clear, !Printers rolls two distinct tasks
> into one: (1) turning the page into a data stream that the printer
> can understand and use to print a good representation of the page;
> (2) transporting that data stream to the printer, be it by serial,
> parallel, USB, network or file[1].

> So, broadly, you can either:

> a) use a RISC OS printer driver, usually Gutenprint or PostScript
> nowadays, and transport the data to the printer via the JetDirect
> protocol.  The printer can be connected:

> * directly to the Risc PC via serial;
> * directly to the Risc PC via parallel;
> * directly to your network if it's a network printer;
> * indirectly to your network via a network print server box;
> * indirectly to your network via UniPrint/server;

Agreed

> * (can it be connected to a Risc PC via USB?  I don't know.  A
>   printer can be connected to an Iyonix or BeagleBoard via USB,
>   but Risc PCs normally use the Simtec USB stack, and I don't
>   know whether it supports printing.)

It does


> b) use R-Comp-s proprietary printing protocol via UniPrint/Server.

> Note that your choice of connection scheme will affect what devices
> other than the printer have to be turned on and running in order to
> print from the different computers.

> Dave

> [1] And the "file" mechanism is extendable, so if someone invents
> a new transport medium, in principle a module can be written to
> interface with !Printers and transport the data stream over the
> new medium.  Unlikely, but I add the information for completeness.


-- 
Chris Hughes

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#3827

Okay, now I'm thoroughly confused. Which btw is the main
reason why I never bothered with printing on RISC OS.
I don't want to network my printers or use windows to
do the job, what do I want?
I have a HP Laserjet 1020 which AFAIK doesn't do
PostScript and is USB only (as is my BB). Never tried
printing from it with anything else than Linux or
Windows as I assumed RISC OS wouldn't be able to use
a graphic printer.

Then there's the STAR LC10 Dot Matrix which should
work with the A4000 but not with the BB-xM.
Mainly used for Retrocomputing though so not a serious
printer. I never really print anything other than text.

Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB
one day. Not high priority though as Windows happily
prints out EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via
PS3 on the Beagle.

Needs to be a laser mono printer and good value, this
is a hobby after all. USB but not that interested in
networking capabilities. Don't want to use layers over
layers of drivers and protocols either.

Get a PostScript printer, plug it in, be done with it?

patric

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#3832

In article <op.wae4izxtyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>,
   patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:
> Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB
> one day. Not high priority though as Windows happily
> prints out EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via
> PS3 on the Beagle.

IMHO, the snag with printing direct is you need the correct printer
driver. Which usually means buying a printer where one exists or has been
specially written. Contact CJE etc for such a combination. 

However, this means your choice of printer (and therefore cost) is rather
limited. I bought a cheap Samsung laser from CPC which works just fine on
the PC - but no chance on the RPC with Unipod for USB support. Uniprint
gets round this and I'm happy with it.

-- 
*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#3835

In article <52690fcba0dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <op.wae4izxtyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>, patric
>    <patric@invalid.com> wrote:
> > Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB one
> > day. Not high priority though as Windows happily prints out
> > EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via PS3 on the Beagle.

> IMHO, the snag with printing direct is you need the correct
> printer driver. Which usually means buying a printer where one
> exists or has been specially written. Contact CJE etc for such
> a combination. 

> However, this means your choice of printer (and therefore
> cost) is rather limited. I bought a cheap Samsung laser from
> CPC which works just fine on the PC - but no chance on the RPC
> with Unipod for USB support. Uniprint gets round this and I'm
> happy with it.

When researching what laser printer to buy a couple of years ago,
I found some brands, such as Samsung, did not have compatible
software.  HP, on the other hand, all had proper postscript and
also their own Printer Control Language(PCL) 5 or 6.  Drivers for
these are readily available even on a RiscPC (see my earlier
posting in this thread).  I bought a small HP colour laser in the
end which has ethernet and USB connections and it has proved very
satisfactory indeed.

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK  
______________________________________________________________

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#3844

In article <526914e05cbric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52690fcba0dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <op.wae4izxtyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>, patric
> >    <patric@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB one
> > > day. Not high priority though as Windows happily prints out
> > > EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via PS3 on the Beagle.

> > IMHO, the snag with printing direct is you need the correct
> > printer driver. Which usually means buying a printer where one
> > exists or has been specially written. Contact CJE etc for such
> > a combination. 

> > However, this means your choice of printer (and therefore
> > cost) is rather limited. I bought a cheap Samsung laser from
> > CPC which works just fine on the PC - but no chance on the RPC
> > with Unipod for USB support. Uniprint gets round this and I'm
> > happy with it.

> When researching what laser printer to buy a couple of years ago,
> I found some brands, such as Samsung, did not have compatible
> software.  

The Samsung I have (ML-2571) is completely compatible with RISC OS,
using HP drivers for the Kinetic. It has PCL5. Never used PostScript.
It's attached to both the Kinetic (parallel port) and WindowsXP with
SA-VRPC (parallel port & USB).

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#3871

In article <52691e9399probus@mdharding.org.uk>, probus
<probus@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> The Samsung I have (ML-2571) is completely compatible
> with RISC OS, using HP drivers for the Kinetic. It has
> PCL5. Never used PostScript. It's attached to both the
> Kinetic (parallel port) and WindowsXP with SA-VRPC
> (parallel port & USB).

I've just bought a Samsung CLP-325W which supports PCL5C as
well as PCL6 and SPL-C (Samsung Printer Language Colour).

The set up instructions were incredibly confusing and I
screwed up but after resetting the printer to its factory
defaults I got it right and could then see how easy it was.
I now have two laptops connected wirelessly and a desktop
via ethernet.

I bought it from Co-op Electrical for £160 and am now
waiting for my £50 cash back. And I get loads of points
towards my dividend share out. Details at:

http://www.coopelectricalshop.co.uk/Samsung-CLP-325W-50-Cashback-On-This-Printer/id-SAM-PRI-CLP325W-BK

John

-- 
John
newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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#3852

In message <526914e05cbric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>
          Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> When researching what laser printer to buy a couple of years ago,
> I found some brands, such as Samsung, did not have compatible
> software.  HP, on the other hand, all had proper postscript and
> also their own Printer Control Language(PCL) 5 or 6.  Drivers for
> these are readily available even on a RiscPC (see my earlier
> posting in this thread).  I bought a small HP colour laser in the
> end which has ethernet and USB connections and it has proved very
> satisfactory indeed.

A clarification regarding PCL 6, which you mentioned above: There are 
no PCL 6 drivers for RISC OS. We only have PCL 5. Fortunately, PCL is 
backward compatible, so PCL 6 printers are happy to be driven by a PCL 
5 driver, but only in black and white, which is all PCL 5 supports. 
Colour printing would require a PCL 6 driver.

The only way to drive a laser printer in colour natively from RISC OS 
is via PostScript.

Things are easier for black and white printers. Most support some sort 
of PCL, so they can be driven from RISC OS, but there are even a few 
HP laser printers that do not support PCL, e.g., the LaserJet 1020.

-- 
Martin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#3897

In article <4e995f6952.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526914e05cbric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> Brian Carroll
>           <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote

> > ... HP, on the other hand, all had proper postscript and
> > also their own Printer Control Language(PCL) 5 or 6. Drivers
> > for these are readily available even on a RiscPC (see my
> > earlier posting in this thread).  ... etc

> A clarification regarding PCL 6, which you mentioned above:
> There are no PCL 6 drivers for RISC OS. We only have PCL 5.
> Fortunately, PCL is backward compatible, so PCL 6 printers are
> happy to be driven by a PCL 5 driver, but only in black and
> white, which is all PCL 5 supports. Colour printing would
> require a PCL 6 driver.

Thanks for the clarification of my careless over-generalision. I
was aware of the limitation on colour printing amongst the
various Acorn drivers I tried, but not why.  Fortunately your
PS3 driver came along to solve all such difficulties. I use it
exclusively now; how does anyone manage without it?

Best regards,

Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK  
______________________________________________________________

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#3839

In message <52690fcba0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
          "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <op.wae4izxtyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>,
>    patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB
>> one day. Not high priority though as Windows happily
>> prints out EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via
>> PS3 on the Beagle.

> IMHO, the snag with printing direct is you need the correct printer
> driver. Which usually means buying a printer where one exists or has been
> specially written. Contact CJE etc for such a combination.

> However, this means your choice of printer (and therefore cost) is rather
> limited. I bought a cheap Samsung laser from CPC which works just fine on
> the PC - but no chance on the RPC with Unipod for USB support. Uniprint
> gets round this and I'm happy with it.

As long as its not a GDI printer which some of the very cheap lasers 
are (i.e. the work is actually all done on the PC not the printer) and 
provided the Laser printer supports Postscript 2 or ideally 3 or 
alternatively LaserJet 5 or 6 PCL language then the standard RISC OS   
HP drivers should work, but you might not get max dpi (i.e. just 600 
rather then the 1200 etc of newer ones and you might have issues with 
duplex printing).

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#3841

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:36:28 +0100, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk>  
wrote:

> In message <52690fcba0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
>           "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <op.wae4izxtyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>,
>>    patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Always planned to get a dedicated printer for the BB
>>> one day. Not high priority though as Windows happily
>>> prints out EasiWriter files or PDF's generated via
>>> PS3 on the Beagle.
>
[snip]
>
> As long as its not a GDI printer which some of the very cheap lasers
> are (i.e. the work is actually all done on the PC not the printer) and
> provided the Laser printer supports Postscript 2 or ideally 3 or
> alternatively LaserJet 5 or 6 PCL language then the standard RISC OS
> HP drivers should work, but you might not get max dpi (i.e. just 600
> rather then the 1200 etc of newer ones and you might have issues with
> duplex printing).
>

It appears I'm out of luck with the HP there. Picked it up for 99 quid
a couple of years ago and it neither supports ESC/P, PCL or PostScript.
Works under Ubuntu which now surprises me as online reviews claim it
not to work under anything but Windows.
Not going to complain though, fine printer for my usual needs.

patric

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#3849

In message <op.wafvu5qfyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>
          patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:

> It appears I'm out of luck with the HP there. Picked it up for 99 quid
> a couple of years ago and it neither supports ESC/P, PCL or PostScript.
> Works under Ubuntu which now surprises me as online reviews claim it
> not to work under anything but Windows.

Only Epson printers support ESC/P, so no surprise that an HP printer
doesn't.  PCL is, as I understand it, merely a job control language,
not a full printing control language.  PostScript usually comes with
a hefty price premium - I would like to be proved wrong on that point
because it's a good protocol from the point of view of the poor bloody
user.

Dave

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#3851

In message <64c2526952.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
          Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> In message <op.wafvu5qfyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>
>           patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:

>> It appears I'm out of luck with the HP there. Picked it up for 99 quid
>> a couple of years ago and it neither supports ESC/P, PCL or PostScript.
>> Works under Ubuntu which now surprises me as online reviews claim it
>> not to work under anything but Windows.

> Only Epson printers support ESC/P, so no surprise that an HP printer
> doesn't.

Ehm not true. Of course it was designed and used by Epson but also 
widely implemented by the competition e.g. my Star LC fully supports 
ESC/P. Nowadays it's emulated but still supported by some, mainly via 
ESC/P-2 which is backward compatible.

> PCL is, as I understand it, merely a job control language,
> not a full printing control language.  PostScript usually comes with
> a hefty price premium - I would like to be proved wrong on that point
> because it's a good protocol from the point of view of the poor bloody
> user.

The Epson EPL 6200N might be a good choice for my needs. Found it 
online for as little as 200 EUR, works as network/USB 2.0/Centronics 
PostScript printer and even supports ESC/P (for the Amstrad NC I own). 
Bit early for Christmas though :(

patric

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#3866

In message <0fe35f6952.gmx@albutat.gmx.de>
          Patric@invalid.com wrote:

> In message <64c2526952.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
>           Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>> In message <op.wafvu5qfyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>
>>           patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> It appears I'm out of luck with the HP there. Picked it up for 99 quid
>>> a couple of years ago and it neither supports ESC/P, PCL or PostScript.
>>> Works under Ubuntu which now surprises me as online reviews claim it
>>> not to work under anything but Windows.

>> Only Epson printers support ESC/P, so no surprise that an HP printer
>> doesn't.

> Ehm not true. Of course it was designed and used by Epson but also
> widely implemented by the competition e.g. my Star LC fully supports
> ESC/P. Nowadays it's emulated but still supported by some, mainly via
> ESC/P-2 which is backward compatible.

Indded so does some Oki printers, etc..


[snip]

-- 
Chris Hughes

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#3853

In message <64c2526952.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>
          Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> In message <op.wafvu5qfyrhmdj@medion-pc.fritz.box>
>           patric <patric@invalid.com> wrote:

>> It appears I'm out of luck with the HP there. Picked it up for 99 quid
>> a couple of years ago and it neither supports ESC/P, PCL or PostScript.
>> Works under Ubuntu which now surprises me as online reviews claim it
>> not to work under anything but Windows.

> Only Epson printers support ESC/P, so no surprise that an HP printer
> doesn't.  PCL is, as I understand it, merely a job control language,
> not a full printing control language.

Quite to the contrary, PCL is a rather comprehensive printing control 
language.

-- 
Martin
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#3862

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:31:36 GMT, Dave Higton 
<davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> Only Epson printers support ESC/P,

Could have sworn I wrote code for the old office Kyocera laser way 
back when which used a dialect of ESC/P. These days PCL or custom is 
more likely, but a fair few older printers could do ESC/P of some 
sort.


> PostScript usually comes with a hefty price premium

Because it is <fake ironic> " professional " </>. The Kyocera could 
have a plug-in PostScript module. Cost more than the printer. The 
hell?...?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3865

In article <almarsoft.2088053848952053874@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:31:36 GMT, Dave Higton 
> <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> > Only Epson printers support ESC/P,

> Could have sworn I wrote code for the old office Kyocera laser way 
> back when which used a dialect of ESC/P. These days PCL or custom is 
> more likely, but a fair few older printers could do ESC/P of some 
> sort.

You probably did. Kyoceras support Postscript, PCL and Epson codes.

Ian

-- 
Ian Hamilton (Iyonix/ARMini) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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#3878

Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:

> You probably did. Kyoceras support Postscript, PCL and Epson codes.

I have a feeling that my Kyocera FS1750 supports KPDL - Kyocera Page
Description Language.  IIRC it's meant to be functionally equivalent to
PostScript ie one can sent PostScript commands to such a printer where the
KPDL processor tries to understand it and - by a miracle! - prints the right
thing.

In other words Kyocera's engineers wrote a program (which runs in the
printer) which understands PostScript commands but uses their (ie Kyocera's)
own logic to decide how the dots should end up on the page.  This enabled
Kyocera to sell PostScript-capable printers for less money than other
manufacturers as they did not need to pay PostScript royalties to Adobe.

-- 
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".  

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