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| Started by | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500 |
| Last post | 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 303 — 19 participants |
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Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-09-27 13:18 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:32 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:40 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 15:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 11:17 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:57 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 07:36 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-27 20:42 +0200
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:49 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:20 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:24 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:49 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 09:09 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:21 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:30 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:34 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600
BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000
I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500
Dilbert.COM Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700
Re: Dilbert.COM RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000
I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600
## is a godsend. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000
"z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600
Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000
"Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600
How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000
The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:56 -0400
My code was forked. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:03 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:18 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:46 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:34 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:28 +0000
No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:27 -0700
Re: No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 10:40 +0100
One huge routine. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:17 -0700
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Max sucks dicks. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 10:04 -0700
Re: Max sucks dicks. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:27 +0000
Re: One huge routine. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:27 -0600
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:30 +0000
Re: One huge routine. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 15:30 -0500
Macros & Muscle Memory keep it simple. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:47 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 16:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:55 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:00 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:04 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:43 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 08:09 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 12:42 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:15 -0600
Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 05:04 +0000
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 06:44 -0500
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:05 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:03 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:07 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 08:56 +0100
"Permies" aren't script kiddies. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:10 -0700
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:29 +0100
People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:40 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:55 -0700
Re: Cheating. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 13:30 -0500
Your "Up" is my "Down". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:45 -0700
Re: Cheating. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Cheating. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 14:43 -0500
Me, my daughter, and my son. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:07 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:50 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 16:51 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-02 15:29 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:36 +0000
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 22:17 -0400
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 03:26 +0100
My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:03 -0700
Re: My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:34 +0000
I was blonde, when younger. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:21 -0700
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:50 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:16 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:04 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:11 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:31 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:53 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:42 -0500
Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:08 -0700
Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 -0500
Re: Cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:25 +0000
I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:14 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 23:26 -0500
Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:51 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:18 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:35 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:10 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 19:52 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:03 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:32 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:39 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut Achterberg"@localonly.com> - 2021-10-03 21:21 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:46 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-03 19:53 -0400
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:33 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:54 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:05 -0500
Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:09 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:18 -0600
Seattle's not big on tolerance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:03 -0600
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:46 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:55 -0600
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:50 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:55 +0000
TFZ is better then Face-To-Face sex. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:41 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:49 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:15 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 +0000
Life is everything, yet nothing. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:17 -0700
Re: Life is everything, yet nothing. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:30 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:52 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:56 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
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Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
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Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
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Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
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Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
4Re: 1I 5think 2in 5FORTH 1& 7progr 2in 6C/C++ Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-30 08:12 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700 |
| Subject | ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.29pm.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4558 |
## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP":
#define ＼( t, aTop ) { while ( ++i < PlotDays && !aTop[ i ] ); if ( i >= PlotDays ) continue ; i--, h = zHr = zDay = 0 ; \
Rel##t: _i = i ; \
while ( rv = 0, ++i < PlotDays && i - _i < 2 && ( h = aTop[ i ], Wig = .5f*( !zHr ? 1 : i - zDay ), rv = h > zHr - Wig && ( !zHr || h < zHr + Wig ), !rv ) ); \
if ( rv ) { zHr = h, zDay = i + h/24, _i = i ; goto Rel##t ; } if ( !zDay ) continue ; \
i = zDay + 12, DayCol = zDay - Day0, h = _24( zHr ), rv = Round( h ), *sChr( rv, zDay ) = L'\\', t = { 0, 0, iSurVerb, 0, zDay, zHr }; }
Bowman:
> With a little "creativity" you can create [obfuscated] functions
> that you never see unless you look at the preprocessor output.
The same (foolish) argument is used to put down "goto".
"#define" is the only way to define a child function
smack dab in the middle of its parent function,
retaining the parent's variables right there, in close proximity
-- C++ (kinda) tries but fails in comparison.
If things get hairy, manually expand the macro,
to debug it, before turning it back into a macro again.
P.S. "Squid Game" is a 9 episode TV show made in Korea.
Well worth watching.
In comparison, Hollywood is a rotting corpse.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <sj96k7$ari$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4560 |
On 10/1/2021 9:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP":
>
> #define ＼( t, aTop ) { while ( ++i < PlotDays && !aTop[ i ] ); if ( i >= PlotDays ) continue ; i--, h = zHr = zDay = 0 ; \
> Rel##t: _i = i ; \
> while ( rv = 0, ++i < PlotDays && i - _i < 2 && ( h = aTop[ i ], Wig = .5f*( !zHr ? 1 : i - zDay ), rv = h > zHr - Wig && ( !zHr || h < zHr + Wig ), !rv ) ); \
> if ( rv ) { zHr = h, zDay = i + h/24, _i = i ; goto Rel##t ; } if ( !zDay ) continue ; \
> i = zDay + 12, DayCol = zDay - Day0, h = _24( zHr ), rv = Round( h ), *sChr( rv, zDay ) = L'\\', t = { 0, 0, iSurVerb, 0, zDay, zHr }; }
>
> Bowman:
>> With a little "creativity" you can create [obfuscated] functions
>> that you never see unless you look at the preprocessor output.
>
> The same (foolish) argument is used to put down "goto".
>
> "#define" is the only way to define a child function
> smack dab in the middle of its parent function,
> retaining the parent's variables right there, in close proximity
> -- C++ (kinda) tries but fails in comparison.
>
> If things get hairy, manually expand the macro,
> to debug it, before turning it back into a macro again.
>
> P.S. "Squid Game" is a 9 episode TV show made in Korea.
> Well worth watching.
> In comparison, Hollywood is a rotting corpse.
>
Are you familiar with the Chaos PP lib? Its hard fuc*ing core.
https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <VVW5J.79376$VZ1.52412@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #4572 |
On 2021-10-02, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/1/2021 9:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP":
>>
>> #define ＼( t, aTop ) { while ( ++i < PlotDays && !aTop[ i ] ); if ( i >=
>> PlotDays ) continue ; i--, h = zHr = zDay = 0 ; \ Rel##t: _i = i ; \
>> while ( rv = 0, ++i < PlotDays && i - _i < 2 && ( h = aTop[ i ], Wig = .5f*(
>> !zHr ? 1 : i - zDay ), rv = h > zHr - Wig && ( !zHr || h < zHr + Wig ), !rv
>> ) ); \ if ( rv ) { zHr = h, zDay = i + h/24, _i = i ; goto Rel##t ; }
>> if ( !zDay ) continue ; \ i = zDay + 12, DayCol = zDay - Day0, h = _24( zHr
>> ), rv = Round( h ), *sChr( rv, zDay ) = L'\\', t = { 0, 0, iSurVerb, 0,
>> zDay, zHr }; }
>>
>> Bowman:
>>> With a little "creativity" you can create [obfuscated] functions that you
>>> never see unless you look at the preprocessor output.
>>
>> The same (foolish) argument is used to put down "goto".
>>
>> "#define" is the only way to define a child function smack dab in the middle
>> of its parent function, retaining the parent's variables right there, in
>> close proximity -- C++ (kinda) tries but fails in comparison.
>>
>> If things get hairy, manually expand the macro, to debug it, before turning
>> it back into a macro again.
>>
>> P.S. "Squid Game" is a 9 episode TV show made in Korea. Well worth
>> watching. In comparison, Hollywood is a rotting corpse.
>>
>
>
> Are you familiar with the Chaos PP lib? Its hard fuc*ing core.
>
> https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
++++++
His code does not compile BTW :P
--
7-77-777
Evil Sinner!
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700 |
| Subject | "z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--8.57am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4574 |
Re: "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP" Your inability to compile it doesn't mean that it can't be compiled. " Who cares ? ", you (Max) asked me. ChrisV, you & others won't stop bitching about my parsimonious use of whitespace & comments. YouAll don't care what "z1" does. You're _only_ concerned about the complexity of "z1.CPP". Forgive me, but "z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <sjadmd$vsq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4574 |
On 10/2/2021 3:56 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-10-02, Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/1/2021 9:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP":
>>>
>>> #define ＼( t, aTop ) { while ( ++i < PlotDays && !aTop[ i ] ); if ( i >=
>>> PlotDays ) continue ; i--, h = zHr = zDay = 0 ; \ Rel##t: _i = i ; \
>>> while ( rv = 0, ++i < PlotDays && i - _i < 2 && ( h = aTop[ i ], Wig = .5f*(
>>> !zHr ? 1 : i - zDay ), rv = h > zHr - Wig && ( !zHr || h < zHr + Wig ), !rv
>>> ) ); \ if ( rv ) { zHr = h, zDay = i + h/24, _i = i ; goto Rel##t ; }
>>> if ( !zDay ) continue ; \ i = zDay + 12, DayCol = zDay - Day0, h = _24( zHr
>>> ), rv = Round( h ), *sChr( rv, zDay ) = L'\\', t = { 0, 0, iSurVerb, 0,
>>> zDay, zHr }; }
>>>
>>> Bowman:
>>>> With a little "creativity" you can create [obfuscated] functions that you
>>>> never see unless you look at the preprocessor output.
>>>
>>> The same (foolish) argument is used to put down "goto".
>>>
>>> "#define" is the only way to define a child function smack dab in the middle
>>> of its parent function, retaining the parent's variables right there, in
>>> close proximity -- C++ (kinda) tries but fails in comparison.
>>>
>>> If things get hairy, manually expand the macro, to debug it, before turning
>>> it back into a macro again.
>>>
>>> P.S. "Squid Game" is a 9 episode TV show made in Korea. Well worth
>>> watching. In comparison, Hollywood is a rotting corpse.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Are you familiar with the Chaos PP lib? Its hard fuc*ing core.
>>
>> https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
> ++++++
> His code does not compile BTW :P
>
>
The Chaos PP lib is used in Boost.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <irrjb6Fc9f2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4560 |
On 10/01/2021 10:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP": As I was saying, clever programmers can use # and ## to create completely obfuscated and unmaintainable code. I don't recall who said it but the gist of the statement was if you use every last ounce of your cleverness creating the code you ain't got shit left when it comes to debugging it.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--11.24am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4592 |
Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy, I love every minute of it. Others couldn't say the same about my code, Duh ! Especially when they don't even care about what it does. All they care about is if they can understand it in 10 seconds or less.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <6Ol6J.138403$lC6.93258@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #4592 |
On 2021-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On 10/01/2021 10:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>
>> ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP":
>
> As I was saying, clever programmers can use # and ## to create
> completely obfuscated and unmaintainable code.
>
> I don't recall who said it but the gist of the statement was if you use
> every last ounce of your cleverness creating the code you ain't got shit
> left when it comes to debugging it.
Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a
program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you
can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?
-- Brian Kernighan: The Elements of Programming Style
I make liberal use of comments to explain what is going on.
The more convoluted the code, the more detailed the comments.
Remember, you're not just writing comments for the benefit of
the next person to maintain the code; you're writing them for
yourself six months down the road, when you've forgotten exactly
what you did and why you did it.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful -
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: ## is a godsend. |
| Message-ID | <irv43mF28geU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4679 |
On 10/03/2021 11:31 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2021-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On 10/01/2021 10:29 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >> >>> ## is a godsend. From "z1.CPP" in "Jeff-Relf.Me/z1.ZIP": >> >> As I was saying, clever programmers can use # and ## to create >> completely obfuscated and unmaintainable code. >> >> I don't recall who said it but the gist of the statement was if you use >> every last ounce of your cleverness creating the code you ain't got shit >> left when it comes to debugging it. > > Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a > program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you > can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it? > > -- Brian Kernighan: The Elements of Programming Style > > I make liberal use of comments to explain what is going on. > The more convoluted the code, the more detailed the comments. > Remember, you're not just writing comments for the benefit of > the next person to maintain the code; you're writing them for > yourself six months down the road, when you've forgotten exactly > what you did and why you did it. > Thank you. I suspected it was Kernighan or Ritchie but was too lazy to chase down the quote. I did not want to add to the internet misattributions.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sj94f5$u3d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4549 |
On 01/10/2021 22:28, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 10/1/2021 4:06 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 01/10/2021 21:51, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C
>>> language that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from
>>> what I was talking about above.
>>>
>> I think you could probably end up with the same machine code using
>> inline subroutines these days
>>
>>> And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back to
>>> it after first time I understood what it was 30 years back. Totally
>>> unnecessary along with many other features in every programming
>>> language.
>>
>> Its no worse than a subroutine really
>>
>>
>
>
> Not in my opinion (or experience). Subroutines are logical blocks
> complete in themselves, so you can handle them whole cause you know what
> they're doing. C macros are chuncks of codes not necessarily complete
> and whole logically. I guess they're to save typing! If you take a chunk
> of code out of its logically whole context, and place some name for it
> there instead, that context will get logically defective. It won't be
> understood when looked at.
>
Well you can write bad shit any way you like.
For example if I have a routine more than a page long, *I* cant read it
even if I wrote it!
I will break it down into subroutines wherever possible. So that the
flow of tha main code and its logic inst cluttered up with blocks
containing code that does something specific and in detail but whose
logic is nothing to do with the main flow.
E.g/
If(emergency())
{
stopTheFuckingCar();
}
else {
carryOnDriving();
}
is perfectly comprehensible at the logical level leaving the details of
what constitutes an emergency, carrying on driving or stopping the
fucking car to be placed elsewhere, and likewise stopping the car might
involve many complex actions of brakes, steering and throttle, the
details of which don't belong there, but at a level yet further down.
If you are worried about speed, code them as inline.
First rule is to get a clean piece of comprehensible code running, and
only tune it if there is a need.
--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sja0bt$j0l$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4567 |
On 10/2/2021 3:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/10/2021 22:28, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 10/1/2021 4:06 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 01/10/2021 21:51, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C
>>>> language that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from
>>>> what I was talking about above.
>>>>
>>> I think you could probably end up with the same machine code using
>>> inline subroutines these days
>>>
>>>> And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back
>>>> to it after first time I understood what it was 30 years back.
>>>> Totally unnecessary along with many other features in every
>>>> programming language.
>>>
>>> Its no worse than a subroutine really
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not in my opinion (or experience). Subroutines are logical blocks
>> complete in themselves, so you can handle them whole cause you know
>> what they're doing. C macros are chuncks of codes not necessarily
>> complete and whole logically. I guess they're to save typing! If you
>> take a chunk of code out of its logically whole context, and place
>> some name for it there instead, that context will get logically
>> defective. It won't be understood when looked at.
>>
> Well you can write bad shit any way you like.
>
> For example if I have a routine more than a page long, *I* cant read it
> even if I wrote it!
>
> I will break it down into subroutines wherever possible. So that the
> flow of tha main code and its logic inst cluttered up with blocks
> containing code that does something specific and in detail but whose
> logic is nothing to do with the main flow.
>
> E.g/
>
> If(emergency())
> {
> stopTheFuckingCar();
> }
> else {
> carryOnDriving();
> }
>
> is perfectly comprehensible at the logical level leaving the details of
> what constitutes an emergency, carrying on driving or stopping the
> fucking car to be placed elsewhere, and likewise stopping the car might
> involve many complex actions of brakes, steering and throttle, the
> details of which don't belong there, but at a level yet further down.
>
> If you are worried about speed, code them as inline.
>
> First rule is to get a clean piece of comprehensible code running, and
> only tune it if there is a need.
>
>
>
You're just explaining how well subroutines can be used instead of
resorting to macros. That's what I was trying to point out as well.
Now let's take a look at the example you brought, this time using macros :)
Here's the simple, logically whole, nice code you wrote above but using
the macro feature instead:
If_Jeff_farted_close_your_nose_to_avoid_detecting_fermented_cheese_sticks_gas
Well? Can you see in it the correct logic you followed in your code
using subroutines? It is exactly your code! The same code you wrote
above. But I only see in it another instance of a logical thought being
perhaps "coded."
So with macros the code needs to be deciphered first. You'll have to go
look at your preprocessor directives elsewhere in the program to
decipher it.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <2%%5J.22514$d82.6828@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #4578 |
On 2021-10-02, Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote: > > So with macros the code needs to be deciphered first. You'll have to go > look at your preprocessor directives elsewhere in the program to > decipher it. Exactly. Then we came to most important part: CODE /readabil'ity :P > > -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner! to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700 |
| Subject | "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--9.48am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4582 |
"Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable"; quantum mechanics textbooks less so. Note: no one here cares about what the code actually does. YouAll's _only_ concern is if the fucking _source_ code can be understood in 10 seconds or less.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". |
| Message-ID | <irrma7Fcr5lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4585 |
On 10/02/2021 10:48 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable"; > quantum mechanics textbooks less so. > > Note: no one here cares about what the code actually does. > > YouAll's _only_ concern is if the fucking _source_ code > can be understood in 10 seconds or less. > I think you've reached your level of incompetency. Unless you're a hobbyist amusing yourself unmaintainable code is unacceptable.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700 |
| Subject | How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.2--11.40am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4597 |
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2019.ABA.Agreement.PDF How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" maintaining a game that bank executives play ? Other programmers modified it, forked it, for themselves. What makes you think it was the least bit "unmaintainable" ? Your lack of concern about what my code actually does & your (bizarre) concern about it being less readable than "Dilbert.COM" hardly puts you in a good light.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? |
| Message-ID | <sjaqsl$nvr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4602 |
On 02/10/2021 19:40, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2019.ABA.Agreement.PDF > > How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" By managing to hide your basic lack of competence under a cloud of obfuscation? Are you proud of not being able to get another job? -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? |
| Message-ID | <sjbjd0$92n$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4625 |
On 10/2/2021 6:44 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/10/2021 19:40, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >> http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2019.ABA.Agreement.PDF >> >> How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" > By managing to hide your basic lack of competence under a cloud of > obfuscation? > > Are you proud of not being able to get another job? > > He is 60 now. At 60 I got hired at GM. 60 can be a beginning of a whole other interesting career. Covid really fucked us up. Whoever wanted it was under the impression people older than 60 are useless. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? |
| Message-ID | <KIf6J.62134$6U3.8698@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #4655 |
On 2021-10-03, Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/2/2021 6:44 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/10/2021 19:40, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>> http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2019.ABA.Agreement.PDF >>> >>> How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" >> By managing to hide your basic lack of competence under a cloud of >> obfuscation? >> >> Are you proud of not being able to get another job? >> >> > > > He is 60 now. At 60 I got hired at GM. 60 can be a beginning of a whole > other interesting career. Covid really fucked us up. Whoever wanted it > was under the impression people older than 60 are useless. > Covid didn't fuck anyone :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner! to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700 |
| Subject | The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.3--9.18am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4655 |
The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles, "Squid Game" ( Netflix Korea ) style. I don't miss my (32 unit) rooming house manager job at all -- quite the opposite. I'm very happy to do nothing now, for the next few years.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? |
| Message-ID | <tK76J.132114$F26.3007@fx44.iad> |
| In reply to | #4602 |
On 2021-10-02, Jeff-Relf.Me @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote: > http://Jeff-Relf.Me/2019.ABA.Agreement.PDF > > How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" > maintaining a game that bank executives play ? > Well banks use /oracle database for storing configuration files :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner! to weak you should be meek, and you should brainfuck stronger https://github.com/rofl0r/chaos-pp
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