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| Started by | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500 |
| Last post | 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 303 — 19 participants |
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Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-09-27 13:18 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:32 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:40 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 15:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 11:17 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:57 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 07:36 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-27 20:42 +0200
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:49 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:20 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:24 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:49 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 09:09 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:21 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:30 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:34 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600
BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000
I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500
Dilbert.COM Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700
Re: Dilbert.COM RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000
I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600
## is a godsend. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000
"z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600
Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000
"Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600
How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000
The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:56 -0400
My code was forked. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:03 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:18 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:46 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:34 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:28 +0000
No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:27 -0700
Re: No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 10:40 +0100
One huge routine. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:17 -0700
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Max sucks dicks. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 10:04 -0700
Re: Max sucks dicks. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:27 +0000
Re: One huge routine. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:27 -0600
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:30 +0000
Re: One huge routine. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 15:30 -0500
Macros & Muscle Memory keep it simple. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:47 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 16:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:55 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:00 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:04 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:43 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 08:09 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 12:42 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:15 -0600
Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 05:04 +0000
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 06:44 -0500
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:05 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:03 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:07 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 08:56 +0100
"Permies" aren't script kiddies. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:10 -0700
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:29 +0100
People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:40 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:55 -0700
Re: Cheating. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 13:30 -0500
Your "Up" is my "Down". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:45 -0700
Re: Cheating. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Cheating. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 14:43 -0500
Me, my daughter, and my son. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:07 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:50 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 16:51 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-02 15:29 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:36 +0000
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 22:17 -0400
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 03:26 +0100
My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:03 -0700
Re: My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:34 +0000
I was blonde, when younger. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:21 -0700
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:50 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:16 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:04 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:11 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:31 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:53 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:42 -0500
Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:08 -0700
Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 -0500
Re: Cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:25 +0000
I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:14 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 23:26 -0500
Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:51 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:18 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:35 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:10 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 19:52 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:03 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:32 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:39 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut Achterberg"@localonly.com> - 2021-10-03 21:21 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:46 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-03 19:53 -0400
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:33 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:54 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:05 -0500
Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:09 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:18 -0600
Seattle's not big on tolerance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:03 -0600
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:46 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:55 -0600
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:50 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:55 +0000
TFZ is better then Face-To-Face sex. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:41 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:49 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:15 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 +0000
Life is everything, yet nothing. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:17 -0700
Re: Life is everything, yet nothing. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:30 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:52 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:56 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:50 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:54 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 05:12 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 06:56 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:59 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:37 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:37 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
4Re: 1I 5think 2in 5FORTH 1& 7progr 2in 6C/C++ Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-30 08:12 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <aiiblg1m3n1gg6182cnqqbdn2stcl2fnn8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #4510 |
rbowman wrote: > Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >> >> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; >> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code. > >I can believe that... Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation >would be more cryptic than something was AES 256 encoding. Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's horrible. -- "Windows Phone is far more successful in its market than Linux desktop is in its market." - some dumb fsck
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700 |
| Subject | Dilbert.COM |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.47am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4511 |
You (ChrisV) replied ( to Bowman ): > > Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation > > would be more cryptic than AES 256. > > Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. > It's horrible. Have you seen "Dilbert.COM" ? anyone can understand it because it's not the source code of a useful app.
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| From | RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Dilbert.COM |
| Message-ID | <fCk5J.58657$2B4.47097@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #4514 |
On 2021-09-30 10:47 a.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > You (ChrisV) replied ( to Bowman ): >>> Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation >>> would be more cryptic than AES 256. >> >> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. >> It's horrible. > > Have you seen "Dilbert.COM" ? anyone can understand it > because it's not the source code of a useful app. cumstainv is just upset that your code isn't homoerotic enough for its tastes. -- @RabidHussar
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <irnaotFhnftU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4511 |
On 09/30/2021 08:33 AM, chrisv wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>> >>> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; >>> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code. >> >> I can believe that... Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation >> would be more cryptic than something was AES 256 encoding. > > Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's > horrible. > I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you ran it through a compiler. I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea...
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <ufrdlgli1rv98nk85efe0lrehqb1ea9vvr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #4528 |
rbowman wrote: > chrisv wrote: >> >> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >> horrible. > >I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >ran it through a compiler. > >I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a *lot*. -- "you ignorantly thought Linux was *perfect* as so many cola nutcases do" - DumFSck, lying shamelessly
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <8vD5J.60686$jm6.47519@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #4531 |
On 2021-10-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>> horrible. >> >>I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >>fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >>ran it through a compiler. >> >>I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >>one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... > > It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a > *lot*. > problem with macros is that they are just text replacements and they confuse people reading source... -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <iroitsFp2lvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4532 |
On 10/01/2021 06:51 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: > On 2021-10-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> chrisv wrote: >>>> >>>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>>> horrible. >>> >>> I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >>> fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >>> ran it through a compiler. >>> >>> I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >>> one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... >> >> It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a >> *lot*. >> > > problem with macros is that they are just text replacements and they > confuse people reading source... > > When used creatively they are a lot more than text replacements. MAX(a, b) is just the start of the slippery slope. I remember one project where macros were used in a macroassembler to the point where the source text looked like C. Then there is the old joke that FORTH is a language that uses the programmer as a preprocessor.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <QhI5J.163908$o45.22595@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #4533 |
On 2021-10-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 10/01/2021 06:51 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: >> On 2021-10-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>>>> horrible. >>>> >>>> I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >>>> fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >>>> ran it through a compiler. >>>> >>>> I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >>>> one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... >>> >>> It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a >>> *lot*. >>> >> >> problem with macros is that they are just text replacements and they >> confuse people reading source... >> >> > > When used creatively they are a lot more than text replacements. MAX(a, > b) is just the start of the slippery slope. > > I remember one project where macros were used in a macroassembler to the > point where the source text looked like C. > > Then there is the old joke that FORTH is a language that uses the > programmer as a preprocessor. Assemble should look like assembler, therefore attempts to make it look like different F|aiLED :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <irpu0eF2dc2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4538 |
On 10/01/2021 12:18 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: > On 2021-10-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On 10/01/2021 06:51 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: >>> On 2021-10-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> rbowman wrote: >>>> >>>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>>>>> horrible. >>>>> >>>>> I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >>>>> fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >>>>> ran it through a compiler. >>>>> >>>>> I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >>>>> one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... >>>> >>>> It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a >>>> *lot*. >>>> >>> >>> problem with macros is that they are just text replacements and they >>> confuse people reading source... >>> >>> >> >> When used creatively they are a lot more than text replacements. MAX(a, >> b) is just the start of the slippery slope. >> >> I remember one project where macros were used in a macroassembler to the >> point where the source text looked like C. >> >> Then there is the old joke that FORTH is a language that uses the >> programmer as a preprocessor. > Assemble should look like assembler, therefore attempts to make > it look like different F|aiLED :P > That's my feeling but I spent too much time with microcontrollers like the 8049. 2K of ROM and 128 bytes of RAM you damn well better know where every byte is.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <gpP5J.5833$2m1.2476@fx26.iad> |
| In reply to | #4554 |
On 2021-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 10/01/2021 12:18 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: >> On 2021-10-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On 10/01/2021 06:51 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: >>>> On 2021-10-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> rbowman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> chrisv wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>>>>>> horrible. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that >>>>>> fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you >>>>>> ran it through a compiler. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was >>>>>> one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... >>>>> >>>>> It should not surprise you, then, to learn that Relf uses macros a >>>>> *lot*. >>>>> >>>> >>>> problem with macros is that they are just text replacements and they >>>> confuse people reading source... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> When used creatively they are a lot more than text replacements. MAX(a, >>> b) is just the start of the slippery slope. >>> >>> I remember one project where macros were used in a macroassembler to the >>> point where the source text looked like C. >>> >>> Then there is the old joke that FORTH is a language that uses the >>> programmer as a preprocessor. >> Assemble should look like assembler, therefore attempts to make >> it look like different F|aiLED :P >> > > That's my feeling but I spent too much time with microcontrollers like > the 8049. 2K of ROM and 128 bytes of RAM you damn well better know where > every byte is. > > Glad to YOU! -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700 |
| Subject | I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.1--9.46am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4531 |
I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. |
| Message-ID | <qiI5J.163909$o45.36663@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #4534 |
On 2021-10-01, Jeff-Relf.Me @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote: > I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. I think you are |Idiot, SO? -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. |
| Message-ID | <irptedF29jqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4534 |
On 10/01/2021 10:46 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto.
>
Each has it's uses. I'm amused when the evil goto is covered with
syntactic sugar like try {} catch{} or convoluted blocks of code. Being
an old assembler guy I know there's a JMP luring in the bushes.
I think the purists were scarred in their youth by computed goto.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. |
| Message-ID | <sj953p$20n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4551 |
On 02/10/2021 03:11, rbowman wrote:
> On 10/01/2021 10:46 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto.
>>
>
> Each has it's uses. I'm amused when the evil goto is covered with
> syntactic sugar like try {} catch{} or convoluted blocks of code. Being
> an old assembler guy I know there's a JMP luring in the bushes.
>
Yup!
> I think the purists were scarred in their youth by computed goto.
>
I think that they simply got conned by compSci twits into think that
because block structure is arguably better, gotos were spawn of the devil
if(something==something else) //CMP, A,B
{ // JNE ELSE1
} //JMP ENDIF1, *the hidden goto*
else { //ELSE1:
}
// ENDIF1:
CompScis want to think in terms of elegant structure, software engineers
want to write portable machine code to make best use of the processor.
--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. |
| Message-ID | <hTW5J.79375$VZ1.43194@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #4568 |
On 2021-10-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/10/2021 03:11, rbowman wrote:
>> On 10/01/2021 10:46 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto.
>>>
>>
>> Each has it's uses. I'm amused when the evil goto is covered with
>> syntactic sugar like try {} catch{} or convoluted blocks of code. Being
>> an old assembler guy I know there's a JMP luring in the bushes.
>>
>
> Yup!
>
>
>> I think the purists were scarred in their youth by computed goto.
>>
>
> I think that they simply got conned by compSci twits into think that
> because block structure is arguably better, gotos were spawn of the devil
>
> if(something==something else) //CMP, A,B
> { // JNE ELSE1
> } //JMP ENDIF1, *the hidden goto*
> else { //ELSE1:
> }
> // ENDIF1:
>
> CompScis want to think in terms of elegant structure, software engineers
> want to write portable machine code to make best use of the processor.
>
++++++++
>
>
--
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Evil Sinner!
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sj7r90$d13$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4528 |
On 9/30/2021 9:40 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/30/2021 08:33 AM, chrisv wrote: >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>> >>>> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; >>>> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code. >>> >>> I can believe that... Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation >>> would be more cryptic than something was AES 256 encoding. >> >> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >> horrible. >> > > I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer that > fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there until you > ran it through a compiler. > > I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language was > one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... I did VBA programming for about two years using Excel to handle and solve warehouse problems. I don't know if the "macro" you mentioned means same thing as a macro in Excel VBA, but every now and then I put that feature into pretty nice use. When things would get too complicated to automate, I'd just do them live manually with macro recording on, then would study the funky codes that were generated. I always found in them nice good clues as how to handle those situations, and created fully structured and high quality additions to my programs with comments and all. These programs were so well written that later a secretary who was very good and experienced with Excel (but not VBA) learned enough VBA and modified them according to company directions into many smaller little programs on her own! It is impossible to do that with sloppy programs. They say programming is an art. I don't think so. It is one's analytic abilities combined with one's degree of care and peculiarities of character! Got nothing to do with art. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sj7sc5$dj5$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4545 |
On 10/1/2021 3:32 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/30/2021 9:40 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On 09/30/2021 08:33 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; >>>>> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code. >>>> >>>> I can believe that... Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation >>>> would be more cryptic than something was AES 256 encoding. >>> >>> Have you seen Relf's code? It's intentionally cryptic. It's >>> horrible. >>> >> >> I've seen enough terrible things in my life... We had a programmer >> that fell in love with macros. There really wasn't any code there >> until you ran it through a compiler. >> >> I think it was Ritchie who said that allowing macros in the language >> was one of his worst mistakes. It was such an innocent little idea... > > > I did VBA programming for about two years using Excel to handle and > solve warehouse problems. I don't know if the "macro" you mentioned > means same thing as a macro in Excel VBA, but every now and then I put > that feature into pretty nice use. When things would get too complicated > to automate, I'd just do them live manually with macro recording on, > then would study the funky codes that were generated. I always found in > them nice good clues as how to handle those situations, and created > fully structured and high quality additions to my programs with comments > and all. > > These programs were so well written that later a secretary who was very > good and experienced with Excel (but not VBA) learned enough VBA and > modified them according to company directions into many smaller little > programs on her own! It is impossible to do that with sloppy programs. > > They say programming is an art. I don't think so. It is one's analytic > abilities combined with one's degree of care and peculiarities of > character! Got nothing to do with art. > > > > Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C language that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from what I was talking about above. And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back to it after first time I understood what it was 30 years back. Totally unnecessary along with many other features in every programming language. Good programming requires sticking to the essentials. If it can be done with an "if" statement never do it in any other way. If it can be done with a simple loop, never do it by a recursive function. Stick to the essentials and write it for others not for yourself when you're doing it as a job. It belongs to the company that pays you, not to you. It is for others to use. So as a person you have to meet certain criteria to be able to do it right. It isn't just the ability to code. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sj7t87$2fg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4546 |
On 01/10/2021 21:51, Clutterfreak wrote: > Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C language > that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from what I was > talking about above. > I think you could probably end up with the same machine code using inline subroutines these days > And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back to it > after first time I understood what it was 30 years back. Totally > unnecessary along with many other features in every programming language. Its no worse than a subroutine really -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <sj7uhs$ejh$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4547 |
On 10/1/2021 4:06 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 01/10/2021 21:51, Clutterfreak wrote: >> Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C language >> that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from what I was >> talking about above. >> > I think you could probably end up with the same machine code using > inline subroutines these days > >> And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back to >> it after first time I understood what it was 30 years back. Totally >> unnecessary along with many other features in every programming language. > > Its no worse than a subroutine really > > Not in my opinion (or experience). Subroutines are logical blocks complete in themselves, so you can handle them whole cause you know what they're doing. C macros are chuncks of codes not necessarily complete and whole logically. I guess they're to save typing! If you take a chunk of code out of its logically whole context, and place some name for it there instead, that context will get logically defective. It won't be understood when looked at. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <irq0quF2s94U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4549 |
On 10/01/2021 03:28 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 10/1/2021 4:06 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 01/10/2021 21:51, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> Ok I just looked it up and remembered that funky feature in C >>> language that's referred as "macro." It is of course different from >>> what I was talking about above. >>> >> I think you could probably end up with the same machine code using >> inline subroutines these days >> >>> And it is and was so useless and silly that I never ever went back to >>> it after first time I understood what it was 30 years back. Totally >>> unnecessary along with many other features in every programming >>> language. >> >> Its no worse than a subroutine really >> >> > > > Not in my opinion (or experience). Subroutines are logical blocks > complete in themselves, so you can handle them whole cause you know what > they're doing. C macros are chuncks of codes not necessarily complete > and whole logically. I guess they're to save typing! If you take a chunk > of code out of its logically whole context, and place some name for it > there instead, that context will get logically defective. It won't be > understood when looked at. > https://medium.com/@bill.burton6981/worst-abuse-of-the-c-preprocessor-af70939dcf78 That's a little extreme. Be very cautious if you see # or ## in s macro. https://codeforwin.org/2018/11/stringize-token-pasting-operator-in-c-language.html With a little creativity you can create functions that you never see unless you look at the preprocessor output.
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