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| Started by | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500 |
| Last post | 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 303 — 19 participants |
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Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-09-27 13:18 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:32 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:40 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 15:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 11:17 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:57 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 07:36 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-27 20:42 +0200
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:49 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:20 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:24 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:49 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 09:09 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:21 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:30 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:34 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600
BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000
I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500
Dilbert.COM Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700
Re: Dilbert.COM RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000
I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600
## is a godsend. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000
"z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600
Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000
"Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600
How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000
The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:56 -0400
My code was forked. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:03 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:18 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:46 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:34 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:28 +0000
No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:27 -0700
Re: No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 10:40 +0100
One huge routine. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:17 -0700
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Max sucks dicks. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 10:04 -0700
Re: Max sucks dicks. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:27 +0000
Re: One huge routine. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:27 -0600
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:30 +0000
Re: One huge routine. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 15:30 -0500
Macros & Muscle Memory keep it simple. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:47 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 16:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:55 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:00 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:04 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:43 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 08:09 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 12:42 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:15 -0600
Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 05:04 +0000
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 06:44 -0500
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:05 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:03 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:07 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 08:56 +0100
"Permies" aren't script kiddies. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:10 -0700
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:29 +0100
People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:40 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:55 -0700
Re: Cheating. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 13:30 -0500
Your "Up" is my "Down". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:45 -0700
Re: Cheating. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Cheating. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 14:43 -0500
Me, my daughter, and my son. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:07 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:50 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 16:51 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-02 15:29 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:36 +0000
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 22:17 -0400
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 03:26 +0100
My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:03 -0700
Re: My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:34 +0000
I was blonde, when younger. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:21 -0700
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:50 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:16 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:04 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:11 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:31 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:53 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:42 -0500
Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:08 -0700
Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 -0500
Re: Cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:25 +0000
I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:14 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 23:26 -0500
Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:51 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:18 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:35 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:10 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 19:52 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:03 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:32 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:39 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut Achterberg"@localonly.com> - 2021-10-03 21:21 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:46 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-03 19:53 -0400
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:33 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:54 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:05 -0500
Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:09 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:18 -0600
Seattle's not big on tolerance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:03 -0600
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:46 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:55 -0600
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:50 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:55 +0000
TFZ is better then Face-To-Face sex. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:41 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:49 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:15 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 +0000
Life is everything, yet nothing. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:17 -0700
Re: Life is everything, yet nothing. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:30 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:52 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:56 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:50 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:54 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 05:12 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 06:56 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:59 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:37 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:37 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
4Re: 1I 5think 2in 5FORTH 1& 7progr 2in 6C/C++ Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-30 08:12 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn06J.31681$dI3.14163@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #4552 |
On 2021-10-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 10/01/2021 11:43 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2021-09-30, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 30/09/2021 15:06, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> They are about 20 years old, usually work, and are passed on through the >>>> generations because nobody understands what they're doing and are >>>> reluctant to touch them. A lot of legacy Perl is the same. >>> >>> I think the apocryphal story is Gary Kildall on work experience as a >>> student, asked to fix some issues on multiple *books* of assembler, said >>> wouldn't it be easier to rewrite it in FORTRAN'? Too slow they said, but >>> he did, and it ran *faster*. >> >> A good algorithm written in an inefficient language will run >> rings around a poor algorithm written in assembly language. >> >> The first thing I do when I take over an existing program is >> to figure out what it does. Then I can throw out the cruft. >> I can usually cut the line count by 30%. > > Six weeks later you find the edge case that was handled by a line of > cruft... And only then have you _really_ figured out what it does. You have to watch out for edge cases, and ask yourself each and every time what will happen with them. At one shop I was handed a set of specs that were so detailed I could have probably written a compiler for them. But there were gaps. I asked them, "What do I do if X happens?" Their reply is at the top of my list of Famous Last Words: "Oh, don't worry about that - it'll never happen." Since by this time I had already learned that "never" is usually about six months, I refused to take that for an answer. And yes, I've seen code with "This can never happen" error messages built in. It's better than nasal demons, anyway. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 14:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sja9o3$3ka$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4590 |
On 10/2/2021 1:09 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > You have to watch out for edge cases, and ask yourself each and every > time what will happen with them. At one shop I was handed a set of > specs that were so detailed I could have probably written a compiler > for them. But there were gaps. I asked them, "What do I do if X > happens?" Their reply is at the top of my list of Famous Last Words: > > "Oh, don't worry about that - it'll never happen." > > Since by this time I had already learned that "never" is usually > about six months, I refused to take that for an answer. > > And yes, I've seen code with "This can never happen" error messages > built in. It's better than nasal demons, anyway. > I write operating system kernel code. The code is LOADED with "This can never happen" tests, and if the "can never happen" happens, the code crashes the system, leaving a dump to analyze. The bugchecks are always commented with the exact reason the decision to bugcheck was made. It's mostly for internal debugging but most are left in so in a few cases a real user will see one.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 21:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irslvlFigg4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4606 |
On 10/02/2021 12:51 PM, Volney wrote: > On 10/2/2021 1:09 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> You have to watch out for edge cases, and ask yourself each and every >> time what will happen with them. At one shop I was handed a set of >> specs that were so detailed I could have probably written a compiler >> for them. But there were gaps. I asked them, "What do I do if X >> happens?" Their reply is at the top of my list of Famous Last Words: >> >> "Oh, don't worry about that - it'll never happen." >> >> Since by this time I had already learned that "never" is usually >> about six months, I refused to take that for an answer. >> >> And yes, I've seen code with "This can never happen" error messages >> built in. It's better than nasal demons, anyway. >> > > I write operating system kernel code. The code is LOADED with "This can > never happen" tests, and if the "can never happen" happens, the code > crashes the system, leaving a dump to analyze. The bugchecks are always > commented with the exact reason the decision to bugcheck was made. > > It's mostly for internal debugging but most are left in so in a few > cases a real user will see one. We had a meeting where the director of engineering went on at length about non-professional error messages after one of those popped up. Fortunately it was something like 'woop woop an endless loop' rather than something completely obscene. He was also concerned some client would run strings on an executable and see something less than flattering.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7Ol6J.138405$lC6.13010@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #4606 |
On 2021-10-02, Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 10/2/2021 1:09 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> You have to watch out for edge cases, and ask yourself each and every >> time what will happen with them. At one shop I was handed a set of >> specs that were so detailed I could have probably written a compiler >> for them. But there were gaps. I asked them, "What do I do if X >> happens?" Their reply is at the top of my list of Famous Last Words: >> >> "Oh, don't worry about that - it'll never happen." >> >> Since by this time I had already learned that "never" is usually >> about six months, I refused to take that for an answer. >> >> And yes, I've seen code with "This can never happen" error messages >> built in. It's better than nasal demons, anyway. > > I write operating system kernel code. The code is LOADED with "This can > never happen" tests, and if the "can never happen" happens, the code > crashes the system, leaving a dump to analyze. The bugchecks are always > commented with the exact reason the decision to bugcheck was made. > > It's mostly for internal debugging but most are left in so in a few > cases a real user will see one. I call them "Murphy traps". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Life is perverse. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | It can be beautiful - X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | but it won't. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Lily Tomlin
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-10-02 15:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sjaal0$8af$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4524 |
On 9/30/2021 3:23 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I think the apocryphal story is Gary Kildall on work experience as a > student, asked to fix some issues on multiple *books* of assembler, said > wouldn't it be easier to rewrite it in FORTRAN'? Too slow they said, but > he did, and it ran *faster*. Not too odd these days. A *good* optimizing compiler can often generate code that runs faster than human generated assembly language.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 20:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irklkiF24m0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4485 |
On 09/29/2021 11:01 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/29/2021 10:57 AM, chrisv wrote: >> I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like. > > > I don't like javascript. Period. It's got real problems. By the time it > was developed, programming languages had migrated from creators who were > essentially scientists to two-bit little "engineers" who'd packed those > desk jobs by then, creating newer ones. Complements of Reagan era. > > To this day all real businesses are run by programming languages that > were already invented before the wave of "Engineers" arrived and fucked > everything up. > > > > We're developing a product using Angular which implies TypeScript. Overall TypeScript is a good idea but I get frustrated with the nuances of using an arrow function so you can access this.that and this.otherThing outside of the scope. There's also a bit of React in the brew so you're dealing with async, await, and Promises. My goto is C. I'm not fond of C++ although I use it. It suffered from a bunch of academic book writers who felt compelled to use all the features so you spend your time writing subsets of Animal so Cat goes meow and Dog goes woof. I haven't seen the latest edition but in the first edition Stroustrup uses all that crap very sparingly. C# isn't bad. Doing COM with C++ is a pain in the ass and C# abstracts a lot of the pain away. It's all there under the syntactic sugar but I've reached the point where the thrill of dealing with it is long gone.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 20:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irkkruF1vpdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4483 |
On 09/29/2021 09:57 AM, chrisv wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> chrisv wrote: >>> >>> My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. >> >> I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic language >> and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some bucks writing >> dll's so Pascal could talk to real world instrumentation, robotic arms, >> and so forth. >> >> The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer >> language only good for telling itself secrets' . > > I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like. > I probably should have gotten a job programming, because I've always > enjoyed doing it. > > Programming with Pascal was certainly a good learning experience. I'd > done a lot of programming previously (even for a living), mostly in > BASIC. But I really learned how to program "correctly" (well > structured, etc) in college with Pascal. > Scheme came close for me. When one of our programmers died we bought his books to help out his widow and I got the Wizard book and a couple of others. https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/index.html I worked my way through it one winter. Scheme was conceptually interesting but in the back of my mind I was always asking myself why the hell anybody would do it that way. FORTH was fun and netted me a job. With a very small kernel in assembler it can compile itself. https://www.amazon.com/Threaded-Interpretive-Languages-Design-Implementation/dp/007038360X If you ever stumble over that in a used book store it's worth a couple of bucks. It's not FORTH specific, I did pass on one FORTH job offer. The pay was excellent but it was in Riyadh...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 08:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irj9vtFom27U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4470 |
On 09/29/2021 12:59 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/28/2021 11:54 PM, rbowman wrote: >> all the drives, old RAM, and so forth went into the dumpster. > > In late 80s I dug three Commodore 64 computers from our dumpster :) > power supplies included. I was still in school so I didn't need a "home" > computer yet, plus modems that school provided to students to use at > home were I think only 300 baud. Too lethargic to connect those heavy > vt100 terminals to school computers from home. So for me computing was > something always done in school. But some students had purchased Apples > and IBM XTs etc. Two of these three Commodores were fully functional and > I gradually adopted them as my home computer. I never worked with a 64. One of my clients in the early '80s was Sprague Electric at their tantalum capacitor plant in Maine. They had a number of Commodore PETs. They were clunky but they had a IEEE-488 (HPIB) interface for the peripherals. Sprague had Hewlett Packard instrumentation for many of the processes that used the bus. A HP desktop computer went for about $3000. You could buy about five PETs for that. > > Soon I taught myself C on one of them, if you can believe that! In > school they were still referring to C as "the language of the future." In the late '80s? That's about right. Schools tend to be a generation behind what is happening. > So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I > acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store > that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave > 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, > books, everything. I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in > German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In > school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business depts. I learned FORTRAN IV on an IBM System/360 Model 30. It had 32K of core, real core, and the programs were submitted on Hollerith cards. A 64 was a real step up. > Anyway, I'm so "vintage" myself that even today in 2021 if I get my > hands on a Commodore 64 I begin immediately to enjoy doing fun stuff > with it. I have at least 50 little programs from those years written in > Commodore's basic and C which are entrapped inside a bad old HD that > crashed and my attempts to revive them only made things worse. Even if I > had kept my cassettes that I used for storing programs I'd have better > chance now to access them. http://www.ccs64.com/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 15:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1s2h$qbc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4477 |
On 29/09/2021 15:02, rbowman wrote: > I learned FORTRAN IV on an IBM System/360 Model 30. It had 32K of core, > real core, and the programs were submitted on Hollerith cards. A 64 was > a real step up. I think I learnt on an Elliott - I never actually saw the computer. We wrote programs on paper tape using a flexowriter, and got the results on fanfold from a line printer a week later at the next class. The next step for me was a CP/M Sharp MZ80 machine,with a built in screen and keyboards. And floppy disk drives. 1980 that was. the rapid turn round of code to program convinced me that computers might actually be usable after all. -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 19:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irkjbdF1nt5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4479 |
On 09/29/2021 08:09 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/09/2021 15:02, rbowman wrote: >> I learned FORTRAN IV on an IBM System/360 Model 30. It had 32K of >> core, real core, and the programs were submitted on Hollerith cards. A >> 64 was a real step up. > > I think I learnt on an Elliott - I never actually saw the computer. > We wrote programs on paper tape using a flexowriter, and got the results > on fanfold from a line printer a week later at the next class. > > The next step for me was a CP/M Sharp MZ80 machine,with a built in > screen and keyboards. And floppy disk drives. 1980 that was. > > the rapid turn round of code to program convinced me that computers > might actually be usable after all. > > > I wasn't impressed by the 360 and it's peripherals that looked like refrigerators. After I graduated I did hardware design. Ultimately TTL let to microprocessors and whne I had something I could wirewrap up on the kitchen table I got interested. Even then I lived on the hardware edge, ion concentration meters, semiconductor sputtering systems, environmental chamber controls, aircraft fuel measurement and management systems, and so forth. It wasn't until my current job that I did anything with a UI other than panel buttons and switches. Just as well since I suck at UX. If you can't do it from Konsole, it ain't worth doing.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 00:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj0u3r$1a3$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4466 |
On 9/28/2021 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max >> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >> one would go to waste with him. > > 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a > vintage box. > > Hehe :) I didn't know my S20 is now considered "vintage" :) When I bought it 4 years ago it was a heck of a computer, and today when I ran some stuff on it, it was still a heck of a computer. I can't run autocad and one of my more demanding programs at the same time on my other computers. But on S20 they run as if the other isn't even there :) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 11:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1gqb$1vr$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4469 |
On 29/09/2021 06:37, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/28/2021 10:53 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max >>> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >>> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >>> one would go to waste with him. >> >> 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a >> vintage box. >> >> > > > Hehe :) I didn't know my S20 is now considered "vintage" :) > > When I bought it 4 years ago it was a heck of a computer, and today when > I ran some stuff on it, it was still a heck of a computer. I can't run > autocad and one of my more demanding programs at the same time on my > other computers. But on S20 they run as if the other isn't even there :) > yes. that chip had a lot of cores - multitasking server was its target market -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1gnl$1vr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4466 |
On 29/09/2021 04:53, rbowman wrote: > On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max >> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >> one would go to waste with him. > > 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a > vintage box. > > ECC RAM too, probably -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1gn0$1vr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4465 |
On 28/09/2021 21:55, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/28/2021 1:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> I love the idea of it. I am sad you didn't put Mint on it, but it may >> well be a great Windows gaming machine >> >> I think it is a total bargain especially since its now reliable. >> >> It is crying out for an SSD and Linux :-) > > Hehe :) We spent about 15 minutes talking before I drove off with the > computer but I didn't find out what the seller was using it for before. > > I'm not into gaming and he sure didn't look like he was. My guess is he > had academic background and position. His conduct, mastery of English, > and the way he was groomed kind of indicated that. > > And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max > 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this > jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this > one would go to waste with him. > He probably got it out of a university server room. Kit like that has almost no resale value because its obsolescent for its original purpose and home users dont recognise it or know what to do with it I'd be using that to crunch videos or play games on I think > > > -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 06:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k6j8lg5t8hcmap7u8pivg45ba39k2f92v3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #4465 |
Clutterfreak wrote: >He'd left the max >24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >one would go to waste with him. Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer hardware. But we do anyway... 8) I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga. -- "recovering from Covid means you're immune, truly immune" - RonB, lying shamelessly
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 11:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj25hi$ifl$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4474 |
On 9/29/2021 6:25 AM, chrisv wrote: > Clutterfreak wrote: > >> He'd left the max >> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >> one would go to waste with him. > > Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer > hardware. But we do anyway... 8) > > I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga. > Amiga was EXPENSIVE even then in that consignment store. That wonderful store closed 2 or 3 short years later. I have a hunch why and how, cause its business was great and would stay great for decades to come. They'd newly hired a crook (the one who handled Apple type machines, parts, books, and software) who was a part time student. He was their Apple expert. I think by the time they discovered what he was doing it was too late for the business. A whole lot of others like me must've noticed it. There were no returns on what you bought, and this guy would switch what you paid for with an identical but non-functioning one while you weren't looking, or while he was placing it inside a carry box elsewhere. And store took the side of their employees, not the customers' when they returned the non-working products, cause some customers were crooks themselves trying to outsmart the business. Could be that somebody probably sued them at last! Any business can deal successfully with crooks among customers, but not when even one employee of theirs is a crook. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 19:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irkirrF1ldgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4474 |
On 09/29/2021 05:25 AM, chrisv wrote: > Clutterfreak wrote: > >> He'd left the max >> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >> one would go to waste with him. > > Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer > hardware. But we do anyway... 8) > > I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga. > I'm not attached but I still have my Compaq Concerto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto I paid $1500 for it when they came out in '93. It was a little chunky but when I see things like the Surface Pro 7 I think 'Haven't I been here before 28 years ago?' I don't think the Concerto lasted a year. I knew a woman who worked in a computer store and when I went in looking for a laptop she said 'Come into the back room and see the neat thing we just got in.' I told her to put it back in the box while I was writing the check. The computer has a lot of miles on it since it went trucking with me.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 01:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cD85J.7326$fZ.1393@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #4491 |
On 2021-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 09/29/2021 05:25 AM, chrisv wrote: >> Clutterfreak wrote: >> >>> He'd left the max >>> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >>> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >>> one would go to waste with him. >> >> Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer >> hardware. But we do anyway... 8) >> >> I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga. >> > > I'm not attached but I still have my Compaq Concerto. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto > > I paid $1500 for it when they came out in '93. It was a little chunky > but when I see things like the Surface Pro 7 I think 'Haven't I been > here before 28 years ago?' > > I don't think the Concerto lasted a year. I knew a woman who worked in a > computer store and when I went in looking for a laptop she said 'Come > into the back room and see the neat thing we just got in.' I told her to > put it back in the box while I was writing the check. The computer has a > lot of miles on it since it went trucking with me. I am really fascinated with Apple tehcnollogy. Will never buy anything else :P -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 07:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irltheF9dm5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4492 |
On 09/29/2021 07:43 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: > On 2021-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On 09/29/2021 05:25 AM, chrisv wrote: >>> Clutterfreak wrote: >>> >>>> He'd left the max >>>> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >>>> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >>>> one would go to waste with him. >>> >>> Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer >>> hardware. But we do anyway... 8) >>> >>> I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga. >>> >> >> I'm not attached but I still have my Compaq Concerto. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto >> >> I paid $1500 for it when they came out in '93. It was a little chunky >> but when I see things like the Surface Pro 7 I think 'Haven't I been >> here before 28 years ago?' >> >> I don't think the Concerto lasted a year. I knew a woman who worked in a >> computer store and when I went in looking for a laptop she said 'Come >> into the back room and see the neat thing we just got in.' I told her to >> put it back in the box while I was writing the check. The computer has a >> lot of miles on it since it went trucking with me. > I am really fascinated with Apple tehcnollogy. Will never buy anything > else :P > First, a clarification: the Concerto as a Compaq device was discontinued quickly with little fanfare. afaik, mine would still work if I dug it out. The only Apple device I've ever owned is a iShuffle gifted to me by my boss one Christmas. As I've said before, nobody ever wanted to pay me to develop software for an Apple so I had no need for one.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 23:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <61555EDC.745C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #4474 |
chrisv wrote:
>
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
> >He'd left the max
> >24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this
> >jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this
> >one would go to waste with him.
>
> Heh. One shouldn't get emotionally attacked to old, obsolete computer
> hardware. But we do anyway... 8)
>
> I'm actually thinking about selling my Amiga.
>
> --
> "recovering from Covid means you're immune, truly immune" - RonB,
> lying shamelessly
I have old programs I like to run again..but requires:
NewsAgent111-BE.zip for
BeOS 5 - Kaffe for BeOS
RedHat Linux - Sun's Java Runtime Environment (JRE)
or:
NewsAgent111-MS.exe for
Windows 95 - \Windows\System
What kind of computer runs Windows 95???
Which runs NewsAgent better, RedHat Linux or Windows 95
i just want to mess around with it..
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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