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| Started by | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500 |
| Last post | 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 303 — 19 participants |
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Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-09-27 13:18 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:32 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:40 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 15:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 11:17 -0400
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:57 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 07:36 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-27 20:42 +0200
Re: Linux Crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-09-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:49 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:20 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:24 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:49 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 09:09 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:21 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:30 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:01 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:34 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600
BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600
Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500
Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000
I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500
Dilbert.COM Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700
Re: Dilbert.COM RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000
I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100
Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600
## is a godsend. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000
"z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600
Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700
Re: ## is a godsend. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000
"Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600
How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000
The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700
Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000
Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:56 -0400
My code was forked. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:03 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:18 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:46 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:34 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:28 +0000
No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:27 -0700
Re: No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 10:40 +0100
One huge routine. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:17 -0700
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Max sucks dicks. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 10:04 -0700
Re: Max sucks dicks. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:27 +0000
Re: One huge routine. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:27 -0600
Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:30 +0000
Re: One huge routine. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 15:30 -0500
Macros & Muscle Memory keep it simple. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:47 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 16:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:55 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:00 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:04 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:43 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 08:09 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 12:42 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:15 -0600
Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-01 21:36 -0700
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 05:04 +0000
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 06:44 -0500
Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:05 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:03 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:07 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 08:56 +0100
"Permies" aren't script kiddies. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:10 -0700
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:29 +0100
People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:40 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
Cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 09:55 -0700
Re: Cheating. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 13:30 -0500
Your "Up" is my "Down". Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:45 -0700
Re: Cheating. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Cheating. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 14:43 -0500
Me, my daughter, and my son. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:07 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:50 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 16:51 -0500
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-10-02 15:29 -0700
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:36 +0000
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 22:17 -0400
Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 03:26 +0100
My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 13:03 -0700
Re: My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:34 +0000
I was blonde, when younger. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:21 -0700
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:50 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:16 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:04 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:11 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:31 -0500
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:53 +0000
Re: I was blonde, when younger. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:42 -0500
Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:08 -0700
Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 -0500
Re: Cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:25 +0000
I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 20:14 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 23:26 -0500
Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 21:45 -0700
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:51 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:18 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:35 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:10 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 19:52 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:03 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:32 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:39 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut Achterberg"@localonly.com> - 2021-10-03 21:21 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:46 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-03 19:53 -0400
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:33 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:54 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:05 -0500
Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:09 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:18 -0600
Seattle's not big on tolerance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:18 +0000
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:03 -0600
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:46 -0500
Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:55 -0600
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:50 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:55 +0000
TFZ is better then Face-To-Face sex. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 09:41 -0700
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:49 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:15 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:01 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 +0000
Life is everything, yet nothing. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 12:17 -0700
Re: Life is everything, yet nothing. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:30 -0500
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:52 +0000
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:56 +0100
Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:50 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:54 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 05:12 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:51 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 06:56 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:59 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:15 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:37 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:37 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
4Re: 1I 5think 2in 5FORTH 1& 7progr 2in 6C/C++ Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-30 08:12 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sivn25$mod$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4461 |
On 28/09/2021 17:34, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/28/2021 7:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/09/2021 05:30, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> On 9/27/2021 9:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it a separate video card? I've had them go bad. The problem >>>> around here is none of the stores sell cheap cards. No money in that. >>> >>> I don't quite understand what you mean. The video card on this >>> computer is inside it of course (ATI FirePro). >>> >> he means as in PCi plugin video adapter rather than inetgrated on the >> motherboard >> > > No it is not integrated as part of the MB. It can be pulled out. > According to guy who sold the computer it is newer than the computer and > just the card itself was worth much more than the $75 price tag. He'd > got a much better computer of same type and line (this is S20 > ThinkStation) a week or so earlier and was just trying to find a "good > home" for the old one. He actually checked with me with text before the > deal was made :) He didn't want it to go to some guy who'd need an > iphone not a computer. > > I put this computer into pretty good use :) Freshened up on my totally > rusted almost non-existent quarter century old C++ knowledge and enjoyed > the heck with it since, programming little stuff here and there. I use > it just like people in late 1970s and early 80s literally dreamed of a > machine like this. $75 would probably be about $10 then. Perhaps $15. > > And I haven't even touched its capabilities. > > > I love the idea of it. I am sad you didn't put Mint on it, but it may well be a great Windows gaming machine I think it is a total bargain especially since its now reliable. It is crying out for an SSD and Linux :-) -- “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” ― Groucho Marx
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sivvf9$cv7$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4463 |
On 9/28/2021 1:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I love the idea of it. I am sad you didn't put Mint on it, but it may > well be a great Windows gaming machine > > I think it is a total bargain especially since its now reliable. > > It is crying out for an SSD and Linux :-) Hehe :) We spent about 15 minutes talking before I drove off with the computer but I didn't find out what the seller was using it for before. I'm not into gaming and he sure didn't look like he was. My guess is he had academic background and position. His conduct, mastery of English, and the way he was groomed kind of indicated that. And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this one would go to waste with him. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <iri694Fi52qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4465 |
On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max > 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this > jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this > one would go to waste with him. 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a vintage box.
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <YER4J.28697$PE4.10580@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #4466 |
On 2021-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max >> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >> one would go to waste with him. > > 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a > vintage box. Well, you can sell a piece :P > > -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <iri9rbFipbaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4467 |
On 09/28/2021 10:08 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote: > On 2021-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On 09/28/2021 02:55 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >>> And of course he was no businessman :) Neither am I. He'd left the max >>> 24g RAM and the graphics card in it intact. His concern was that this >>> jewel doesn't go to waste. With the new S-something he'd purchased this >>> one would go to waste with him. >> >> 24GB of DDR2 isn't exactly in high demand unless you're nursing a >> vintage box. > > Well, you can sell a piece :P >> >> > > Probably make out on it too. I bought one of those $10 computers from a YWCA sale and found obsolete components are insanely expensive. I went to one of the local computer shops and asked what they did with old, small hard drives since the BIOS wouldn't recognize anything too big. They weren't ecologically aware so all the drives, old RAM, and so forth went into the dumpster.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj12s2$34c$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4468 |
On 9/28/2021 11:54 PM, rbowman wrote: > all the drives, old RAM, and so forth went into the dumpster. In late 80s I dug three Commodore 64 computers from our dumpster :) power supplies included. I was still in school so I didn't need a "home" computer yet, plus modems that school provided to students to use at home were I think only 300 baud. Too lethargic to connect those heavy vt100 terminals to school computers from home. So for me computing was something always done in school. But some students had purchased Apples and IBM XTs etc. Two of these three Commodores were fully functional and I gradually adopted them as my home computer. Soon I taught myself C on one of them, if you can believe that! In school they were still referring to C as "the language of the future." So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, books, everything. I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business depts. I remember Samsung was only selling monitors and everybody in that store was surprised it had not gone out of business by then :) It had somehow survived through any hell that had befallen other computer related businesses "but certainly not for long" as everybody there said. Anyway, I'm so "vintage" myself that even today in 2021 if I get my hands on a Commodore 64 I begin immediately to enjoy doing fun stuff with it. I have at least 50 little programs from those years written in Commodore's basic and C which are entrapped inside a bad old HD that crashed and my attempts to revive them only made things worse. Even if I had kept my cassettes that I used for storing programs I'd have better chance now to access them. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ohj8lg9d377vkgc97rmbllik4rosvrprov@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #4470 |
Clutterfreak wrote: >So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I >acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store >that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave >70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, >books, everything. Cool! >I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in >German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In >school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business depts. My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. -- "ALL non-idiots support the use of testing over compile-time warnings to determine if the code functions correctly. You're one of the few idiots who thinks otherwise." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1opr$vhg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4475 |
On 29/09/2021 12:31, chrisv wrote: > Clutterfreak wrote: > >> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I >> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store >> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave >> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, >> books, everything. > > Cool! > >> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in >> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In >> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business depts. > > My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. > The only language I was ever taught, was FORTRAN I taught myself BASIC, ASSEMBLER, C, PHP, JavaScript, SQL..a smattering of PASCAL, C++, Shell. Rust looks like the next one to look at, if I have time. “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irjan6Foq8pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4476 |
On 09/29/2021 07:13 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/09/2021 12:31, chrisv wrote: >> Clutterfreak wrote: >> >>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I >>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store >>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave >>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, >>> books, everything. >> >> Cool! >> >>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in >>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In >>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business >>> depts. >> >> My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. >> > The only language I was ever taught, was FORTRAN > > > I taught myself BASIC, ASSEMBLER, C, PHP, JavaScript, SQL..a smattering > of PASCAL, C++, Shell. Rust looks like the next one to look at, if I > have time. FORTRAN was the only one I was formally taught in '65. BASIC was used at Dartmouth in '64 but that was about it. My wife went to SUNY Albany before transferring to a real school. They had a CDC so she learned some weird language that isn't extant.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sj1tgu$61v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #4480 |
On 29/09/2021 15:15, rbowman wrote: > On 09/29/2021 07:13 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/09/2021 12:31, chrisv wrote: >>> Clutterfreak wrote: >>> >>>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I >>>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store >>>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave >>>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, >>>> books, everything. >>> >>> Cool! >>> >>>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in >>>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In >>>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business >>>> depts. >>> >>> My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. >>> >> The only language I was ever taught, was FORTRAN >> >> >> I taught myself BASIC, ASSEMBLER, C, PHP, JavaScript, SQL..a smattering >> of PASCAL, C++, Shell. Rust looks like the next one to look at, if I >> have time. > > FORTRAN was the only one I was formally taught in '65. BASIC was used at > Dartmouth in '64 but that was about it. My wife went to SUNY Albany > before transferring to a real school. They had a CDC so she learned some > weird language that isn't extant. > yes. My university chums who spent hours in the computer labs did ALGOL. That vanished, but it set the standard for all the block structured procedural languages that came after. then there are a whole slew of 'academic' languages that everyone declared to be ExtremelyImportant, but which have vanished without trace. Lisp. Modula 2. Pascal, Forth. Wiki lists over 100 languages - but really I cant think of more than 10 that are seen on job adverts -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irko5cF2hpeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4482 |
On 09/29/2021 08:34 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/09/2021 15:15, rbowman wrote: >> On 09/29/2021 07:13 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 29/09/2021 12:31, chrisv wrote: >>>> Clutterfreak wrote: >>>> >>>>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I >>>>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment >>>>> store >>>>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and >>>>> gave >>>>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals, >>>>> books, everything. >>>> >>>> Cool! >>>> >>>>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in >>>>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In >>>>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business >>>>> depts. >>>> >>>> My college programming classes used Pascal. EE curriculum. >>>> >>> The only language I was ever taught, was FORTRAN >>> >>> >>> I taught myself BASIC, ASSEMBLER, C, PHP, JavaScript, SQL..a smattering >>> of PASCAL, C++, Shell. Rust looks like the next one to look at, if I >>> have time. >> >> FORTRAN was the only one I was formally taught in '65. BASIC was used >> at Dartmouth in '64 but that was about it. My wife went to SUNY >> Albany before transferring to a real school. They had a CDC so she >> learned some weird language that isn't extant. >> > yes. My university chums who spent hours in the computer labs did ALGOL. > That vanished, but it set the standard for all the block structured > procedural languages that came after. > > then there are a whole slew of 'academic' languages that everyone > declared to be ExtremelyImportant, but which have vanished without > trace. Lisp. Modula 2. Pascal, Forth. > > Wiki lists over 100 languages - but really I cant think of more than 10 > that are seen on job adverts > Forth is still around and turns up in the damnedest places. Ada is still around, or so I'm told. Back when the Boston Sunday Globe was the place to go for job ads I would get a kick out of 'Ada programmer, 3 years of experience required' before there was a working Ada compiler let alone anyone using it. I did a phone interview with a defense firm in San Diego and they flew me out for a face to face. The first question was 'Do you know <insert obscure DoD language>?' to which I answered no. Interview over. I was heart broken. January in Boston and they flew me out to San Diego for a 15 minute interview leaving me to spend the rest of the day walking around in the sunshine. The only part that sucked was the delay leaving O'Hare on the way back. It was 17 below and one of the service vehicles froze to the plane. That adventure was your tax dollars at work.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj3dnf$22h$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4500 |
On 9/29/2021 10:10 PM, rbowman wrote: > I did a phone interview with a defense firm in San Diego and they flew > me out for a face to face. The first question was 'Do you know <insert > obscure DoD language>?' to which I answered no. Interview over. So they didn't trust the phone lines to even mention that phrase on? Would rather have you flown over to ask you in person? Hehe :) Nothing in the world, let alone USA, is that secret. Interviewer must've been a crook the likes of which have filled this country's defense industries. Devouring people's money and in return pretending to be "some shit." And then they lose it to "Talibans." :) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irlvdaF9pjqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4501 |
On 09/29/2021 10:16 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/29/2021 10:10 PM, rbowman wrote: >> I did a phone interview with a defense firm in San Diego and they flew >> me out for a face to face. The first question was 'Do you know <insert >> obscure DoD language>?' to which I answered no. Interview over. > > > So they didn't trust the phone lines to even mention that phrase on? > Would rather have you flown over to ask you in person? Hehe :) > > Nothing in the world, let alone USA, is that secret. Interviewer must've > been a crook the likes of which have filled this country's defense > industries. Devouring people's money and in return pretending to be > "some shit." > > And then they lose it to "Talibans." :) > > Yup. I only worked on one DoD project They hired a programmer who lived in Seattle. He moved himself and his family across the country to Vermont before anybody bothered to ask about his wife. She was a Mexican national which disqualified him from the necessary clearance. The usual problems that come from letting HR hire anybody but janitors are aggravated by the hiring is actually done by other contractors, not direct employees of the target company. The defense industry spins off a lot of niche specialists in separate cottage industries. My nephew did very well as sort of a technical writer. He knew the government jargon for proposals, design documents, and so forth. The outcome is very expensive aircraft that don't fly very well, littoral combat vessels that can be sunk by a jihadi in a Zodiac, and destroyers with weapon systems that the Navy can't afford to buy ammunition for.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700 |
| Subject | BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--7.38am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4509 |
Hopefully, the Internet will be the downfall of the ExcessivelyOppressive Euro-American Empire. BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment take a massive, crumbling hit every time they ban "wrong thought".
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj4lc8$mo1$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4509 |
On 9/30/2021 9:20 AM, rbowman wrote: > The outcome is very expensive aircraft that don't fly very well, > littoral combat vessels that can be sunk by a jihadi in a Zodiac, and > destroyers with weapon systems that the Navy can't afford to buy > ammunition for. That experience has been there with them at least since WWII. German equipment, especially tanks, could not fight the war against small little things Soviets had hurriedly built to throw shells at them. In every confrontations from Stalingrad back to Berlin German mighty tanks lost the battle against those cheap little things. Experience is there! But we're dealing with first rate crooks. So nothing of that nature would help. It would be like reasongin with Jeff-Relf right now. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <irnaesFhlthU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4521 |
On 09/30/2021 09:33 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 9/30/2021 9:20 AM, rbowman wrote: >> The outcome is very expensive aircraft that don't fly very well, >> littoral combat vessels that can be sunk by a jihadi in a Zodiac, and >> destroyers with weapon systems that the Navy can't afford to buy >> ammunition for. > > That experience has been there with them at least since WWII. German > equipment, especially tanks, could not fight the war against small > little things Soviets had hurriedly built to throw shells at them. In > every confrontations from Stalingrad back to Berlin German mighty tanks > lost the battle against those cheap little things. > > Experience is there! But we're dealing with first rate crooks. So > nothing of that nature would help. It would be like reasongin with > Jeff-Relf right now. > A guy by the name of Lind has written about 4th generation warfare. The 1st generation was standing toe to toe with axes and spears. The classic 18th century model of standing 100 yards apart and firing volleys with muskets was the same, If you've ever fired a Brown Bess you understand why. The trigger pull is about 25 pounds and the only sighting is squinting over the bayonet lug. The 2nd generation came about when accuracy improved and standing in neat lines sucked. That lasted through WWI and beyond. The French really locked on to it and sat in the Maginot line playing Bezique while the Germans ate their lunch. The Germans more or less invented the 3rd generation, move fast and break stuff. It worked well until they found you could kill a million Ivans and 2 million would come to the funeral. The military sort of gets 3rd gen although they're still basically working on 2nd gen principals with big, expensive projects. In the 4th generation you don't have nation states fighting each other. Everybody gets to play including some lone wold with a spare 5 pounds of Semtex. Biden succinctly stated the obsolete thinking when he said 'They'd need F-15's and maybe some nuclear bombs.' He missed the part about Afghanis kicking US ass with Mosin Nagants. Abbot talks about a 5th generation although Lind isn't a believe. %th gen is a normal day on the internet; misinformation, trolling, social engineering, cyber attacks, and so forth. It's gonna be fun.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sj7j3p$83q$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #4527 |
On 9/30/2021 9:35 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 09/30/2021 09:33 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 9/30/2021 9:20 AM, rbowman wrote: >>> The outcome is very expensive aircraft that don't fly very well, >>> littoral combat vessels that can be sunk by a jihadi in a Zodiac, and >>> destroyers with weapon systems that the Navy can't afford to buy >>> ammunition for. >> >> That experience has been there with them at least since WWII. German >> equipment, especially tanks, could not fight the war against small >> little things Soviets had hurriedly built to throw shells at them. In >> every confrontations from Stalingrad back to Berlin German mighty tanks >> lost the battle against those cheap little things. >> >> Experience is there! But we're dealing with first rate crooks. So >> nothing of that nature would help. It would be like reasongin with >> Jeff-Relf right now. >> > > A guy by the name of Lind has written about 4th generation warfare. The > 1st generation was standing toe to toe with axes and spears. The classic > 18th century model of standing 100 yards apart and firing volleys with > muskets was the same, If you've ever fired a Brown Bess you understand > why. The trigger pull is about 25 pounds and the only sighting is > squinting over the bayonet lug. > > The 2nd generation came about when accuracy improved and standing in > neat lines sucked. That lasted through WWI and beyond. The French > really locked on to it and sat in the Maginot line playing Bezique while > the Germans ate their lunch. > > The Germans more or less invented the 3rd generation, move fast and > break stuff. It worked well until they found you could kill a million > Ivans and 2 million would come to the funeral. > > The military sort of gets 3rd gen although they're still basically > working on 2nd gen principals with big, expensive projects. > > In the 4th generation you don't have nation states fighting each other. > Everybody gets to play including some lone wold with a spare 5 pounds of > Semtex. Biden succinctly stated the obsolete thinking when he said > 'They'd need F-15's and maybe some nuclear bombs.' He missed the part > about Afghanis kicking US ass with Mosin Nagants. > > Abbot talks about a 5th generation although Lind isn't a believe. %th > gen is a normal day on the internet; misinformation, trolling, social > engineering, cyber attacks, and so forth. > > It's gonna be fun. > > Since 2016 (if I'm remembering those first contracts dates correctly) Big Tech has been steadily pushing old defense industry complexes out of government offices by competition. Initially not so enthusiastic about it, in 2016 they eventually gave in and opened their might to military and government uses. It is cheaper and at least as effective. A byproduct was Biden's presidency as most of his appointed high officials are the same individuals who created such contracts with Big Tech. And that's the best clue to what happened in the election. Trump wasn't just crying like a baby. Big Tech had a hand in it. A microsoft executive was overseeing the election accuracy, wasn't he. For old school defense industry it's got so bad now that they have to destroy or give away present American expensive military equipment if they want to stay in business, as we saw in Afghanestan withdrawal. It's a zoo. This country is not run by scientists anymore like it always is in first world countries. "Engineers" and Reagan era cronies took over and fucked it up. They literally kicked all scientists out of their jobs. They closed down half-finished world's largest particle accelerator in Waco, Texas because they didn't even know by then what a "scientist" is. They could only understand, vaguely for that, what an "engineer" was and is :-( Two Reagan terms had buried those facts under U.S. history rubble. And things haven't changed since. USA is presently _not_ a first world country. Before Reagan it still was. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <spI5J.5660$2m1.2113@fx26.iad> |
| In reply to | #4537 |
On 2021-10-01, Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The 2nd generation came about when accuracy improved and standing in >> neat lines sucked. That lasted through WWI and beyond. The French >> really locked on to it and sat in the Maginot line playing Bezique while >> the Germans ate their lunch. >> >> The Germans more or less invented the 3rd generation, move fast and >> break stuff. It worked well until they found you could kill a million >> Ivans and 2 million would come to the funeral. >> Yes, my grandpa asked Russian solder why he doesn't take COVER? He answered that US AR MANY :P >> The military sort of gets 3rd gen although they're still basically >> working on 2nd gen principals with big, expensive projects. >> >> In the 4th generation you don't have nation states fighting each other. >> Everybody gets to play including some lone wold with a spare 5 pounds of >> Semtex. Biden succinctly stated the obsolete thinking when he said >> 'They'd need F-15's and maybe some nuclear bombs.' He missed the part >> about Afghanis kicking US ass with Mosin Nagants. Yeah, when you are NOT SCARED TO DEATH, you just SAY ALLAHU EKBER, anf GO THROUGH DEATH! Or I ISHS NIKA (Jesus conquers) > U.S. history rubble. And things haven't changed since. > > USA is presently _not_ a first world country. Before Reagan it still was. > When you are scared of DYING, you are NOT. Take a look at this clip and ENJOY! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z6Zc2a9-yw > > -- 7-77-777 Evil Sinner!
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700 |
| Subject | I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.30--6.36am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #4500 |
I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; naturally, people freak out when they see my source code.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. |
| Message-ID | <irlvj0F9qhtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4506 |
On 09/30/2021 07:36 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > I think in FORTH & program in C/C++; > naturally, people freak out when they see my source code. > I can believe that... Reverse Polish Notation with Hungarian notation would be more cryptic than something was AES 256 encoding.
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