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| Started by | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-08-03 03:18 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-08-15 07:54 +0000 |
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Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-03 03:18 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:13 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 06:08 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 00:13 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 22:24 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 02:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 23:26 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 05:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 08:37 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-04 15:13 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-06 08:42 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-05 19:04 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-06 09:30 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-05 23:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-06 06:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-06 05:59 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-06 02:05 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-07 18:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:49 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 04:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-04 07:05 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 08:26 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 09:05 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 06:16 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 09:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 20:37 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 15:13 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-04 22:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 13:20 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-04 14:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:34 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:19 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 20:53 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 18:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 20:06 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:31 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:33 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:32 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:31 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:11 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 19:57 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:34 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 20:58 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 19:55 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 19:30 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 14:33 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-07 06:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 19:06 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-07 22:18 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-07 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 09:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 21:38 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 12:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 22:15 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-08 10:36 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:01 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 04:13 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 00:58 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-08 13:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-09 10:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-10 18:37 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-10 19:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:08 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 19:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-12 04:06 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 19:46 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:42 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 21:29 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 04:31 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-11 11:45 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:36 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 09:14 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:29 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 22:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 04:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:00 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:08 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 23:05 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 01:28 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:00 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:45 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:56 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 13:32 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-16 00:28 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 16:30 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-16 02:19 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-16 20:20 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:12 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 01:33 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-17 00:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 10:51 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-17 18:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 20:57 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 00:27 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 01:50 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 10:59 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 07:11 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:49 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:16 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 01:33 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:33 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:45 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:31 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-19 14:20 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 01:16 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:46 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:35 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 01:02 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 05:24 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 02:35 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:37 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 22:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 22:10 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 01:31 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-17 00:49 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 10:44 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 00:33 +0000
CD-DA and CD-ROM (was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 09:38 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 01:16 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-17 15:23 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 14:32 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-17 10:26 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:33 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:53 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 01:08 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 01:52 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:35 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-19 17:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 09:49 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:04 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:30 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:00 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:36 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:53 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:28 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:51 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 02:38 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:42 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:50 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:35 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:58 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 01:10 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 22:02 +1000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 13:34 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 01:13 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-18 19:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 03:19 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:28 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-19 17:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 18:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 09:50 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 05:15 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:24 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 20:17 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 00:57 -0400
POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-21 21:24 +1000
Re: POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:32 +0100
Re: POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 20:07 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 20:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 13:14 -0700
Re: Teslas and Toyotas Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 18:35 +0000
Re: Teslas and Toyotas rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:37 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 14:07 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 18:19 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:55 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 00:42 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 19:51 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 14:15 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 17:01 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:36 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 11:20 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 14:37 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 13:51 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:42 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:01 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-26 16:07 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:34 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 03:38 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 11:47 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:04 -0700
Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:19 +0200
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 15:08 -0700
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:35 +0200
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:17 +0000
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:55 +0200
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:24 -0400
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:06 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 21:40 +0200
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-29 12:16 -0700
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:23 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-30 10:37 -0700
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:57 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:18 +1000
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:16 +1000
Capitalism and Population collapse [Re: Costs of transport] Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 13:46 +0000
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:11 +0000
Re: Costs of transport Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:45 +0100
Re: Costs of transport Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:56 +0100
Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:23 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 08:30 -0700
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 06:06 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:32 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:02 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:49 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:16 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:27 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 14:25 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:20 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:15 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:17 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 23:12 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 22:43 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:26 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 04:01 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:58 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0000
Herbs and banks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 21:47 +0200
Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:48 +0000
Re: Herbs and banks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 07:56 +0100
Re: Herbs and banks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:59 -0400
Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:50 +0000
Re: Herbs and banks Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 14:12 -0700
Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 23:09 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 21:53 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:27 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:31 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:47 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:07 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:43 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-30 02:31 +0000
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-30 07:21 +0200
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:00 +0200
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 20:45 +0000
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:35 +0200
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:46 +0000
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:21 +0200
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:32 +0000
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:28 +0200
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:32 -0700
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:45 +0000
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:27 -0400
Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:52 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:02 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:29 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:28 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:34 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:43 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:04 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:59 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:24 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:36 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:53 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:33 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:47 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:21 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:45 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:22 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 21:57 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:30 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:44 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:55 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:05 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:57 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:05 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 20:08 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:47 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 04:18 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:18 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:09 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:42 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 22:47 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:30 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:47 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:45 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:17 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:32 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:38 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:53 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:29 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:49 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:49 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-27 06:10 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-27 12:06 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:40 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:20 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-08-27 13:18 -0500
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:42 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:49 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:57 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:43 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:38 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:28 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:35 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 22:15 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:18 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:34 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:57 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-29 08:52 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:56 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:16 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 09:58 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:08 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:26 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:14 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:27 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:21 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-08-29 14:04 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:18 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:47 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:26 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:28 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:15 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:02 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:10 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-08-30 18:37 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:03 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:05 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-31 09:07 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:41 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 18:55 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:54 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:37 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:40 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:47 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:45 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:27 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:17 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:31 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 00:53 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:29 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:24 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:30 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:27 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:13 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:06 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:01 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:09 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:51 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:08 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:13 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:16 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:15 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:04 +0100
Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:58 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:30 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:18 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:43 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:34 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:43 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:13 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Halogen lamps. [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:36 +0200
Re: Halogen lamps. [Was: Soldered connections.] Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-09-03 15:03 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 02:03 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:19 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:45 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 03:28 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 08:00 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:16 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-01 19:28 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 21:49 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:32 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:15 +0100
Storey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:28 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:59 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:52 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:45 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:17 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:46 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:03 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:27 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 08:19 -0700
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:58 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 08:03 -0700
Re: Soldered connections. Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:24 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 17:30 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 -0700
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:03 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-02 11:50 -0700
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:27 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:27 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:28 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:34 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:49 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:29 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:51 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:01 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:30 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:36 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:07 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 03:28 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 12:00 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:36 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 13:52 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 17:53 +0200
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 18:14 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 03:39 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:20 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:24 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:36 +0100
Floors [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0200
Re: Floors [Was: Soldered connections.] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:12 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:57 -0400
Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:14 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:08 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:10 +1000
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:19 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:57 +0100
Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:39 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:07 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:31 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:07 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:54 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:49 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:28 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:26 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:10 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 01:09 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:29 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:03 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:24 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:58 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 01:02 +0000
Non glamorous military things "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:25 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:05 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:35 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-29 11:10 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:21 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:28 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:01 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 04:52 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:50 +0000
Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-30 21:30 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 23:01 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 07:49 +0200
Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 17:22 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 21:22 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 22:51 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-08-31 22:31 -0700
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-01 08:38 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:30 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:55 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:05 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:35 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:20 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:31 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:40 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:07 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:39 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:36 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:12 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:36 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:21 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:19 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:32 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:46 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:09 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:45 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:02 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:10 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:29 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:40 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:49 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 02:39 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:55 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:18 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:55 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:23 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 12:08 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 07:46 -0700
Beds [Was: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys)] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 19:49 +0200
Re: Beds [Was: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys)] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 02:44 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:25 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 15:39 -0700
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:42 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:19 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:41 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:56 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:24 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:32 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:49 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:33 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:25 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:49 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:47 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:04 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:23 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:48 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:36 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:34 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:42 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:44 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 01:52 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:27 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:20 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:01 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:24 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:43 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:10 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:26 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:40 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:22 +0000
House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:59 +0200
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:04 +0000
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:47 +0200
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:10 +0000
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-02 23:08 -0700
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 03:06 -0400
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:04 +0200
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 09:49 +0100
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:07 +0200
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:21 +0100
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 20:29 +0000
Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:39 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:41 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 23:53 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:21 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:39 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 04:46 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 01:48 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:24 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:30 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:47 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 05:13 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:23 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:41 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:44 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:01 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:01 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:13 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:10 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:05 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-09-01 09:06 -0700
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 17:56 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:03 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:17 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-02 13:09 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 13:39 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:51 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:48 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:40 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:33 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:54 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 14:16 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 13:22 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 15:01 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:47 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:08 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:33 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:52 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 09:56 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:30 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:11 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:37 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 06:30 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:51 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:26 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:44 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 10:52 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:27 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:41 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:55 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 02:05 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 10:32 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 13:06 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-06 20:10 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-06 13:28 -0700
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 20:41 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-06 21:39 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 23:16 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:20 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 13:49 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 15:37 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-09-07 11:25 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 16:54 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-07 16:54 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 13:05 -0700
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 21:34 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 16:02 -0700
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:07 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:02 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-08 17:58 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 19:17 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-08 23:12 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:52 -0400
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:34 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:23 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 16:53 -0400
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 01:35 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 22:42 -0400
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:45 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 20:00 +0000
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:33 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:00 +0100
Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:02 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 18:10 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 13:15 -0700
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 11:41 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:17 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 00:20 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:25 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:07 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:08 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 08:50 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 05:03 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:25 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 07:14 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:44 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 00:16 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 02:59 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:44 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:56 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-09 13:34 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:29 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:47 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 14:22 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:35 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:56 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:26 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 15:30 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-09-07 11:19 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 16:52 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:19 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:22 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:03 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:51 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 01:29 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 01:12 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:15 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:58 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-06 23:56 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:31 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:28 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:16 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 15:17 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:41 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:02 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:34 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 22:07 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:13 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:28 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:11 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:34 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:06 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:00 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:10 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:00 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:30 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:57 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:20 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 04:45 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:45 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:02 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 05:57 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:37 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:25 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:45 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:27 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 10:30 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-06 10:54 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:48 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 13:54 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-07 23:48 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 21:29 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 12:37 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:22 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:41 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:59 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:42 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:02 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:38 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-05 18:45 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:35 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:34 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:02 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:45 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:09 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:20 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:44 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:13 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 23:03 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:06 +0200
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 19:25 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 04:03 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 09:22 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 08:09 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:57 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:44 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:10 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 10:33 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:46 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:14 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:44 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 12:02 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:44 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:36 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 21:35 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 12:57 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 22:26 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 17:01 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 19:16 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 03:45 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 09:12 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 00:12 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 00:10 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:37 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:30 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 15:35 +0100
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:08 -0400
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 23:03 +1000
Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 23:00 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:34 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:32 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:19 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 12:15 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:21 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:20 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:19 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:20 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:45 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:08 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:17 +0000
[OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 10:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 06:15 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 08:48 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:35 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:36 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:05 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 19:03 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:33 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:32 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:18 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 12:54 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:43 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:58 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:24 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:19 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:49 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 14:51 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 16:59 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 12:10 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:17 +0200
Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:55 +0200
Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:25 +0100
Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 16:30 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 19:37 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:29 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 09:20 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-26 04:23 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:54 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:40 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:35 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 12:59 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:53 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 14:03 -0700
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:14 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:09 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:46 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:57 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:11 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:35 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 01:16 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:38 +0200
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:19 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-08-28 10:06 -0400
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:02 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:55 +1000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:31 +0100
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:33 +0000
Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:42 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 00:51 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:47 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:49 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 20:45 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:58 +0100
Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:46 +0200
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:03 +0100
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:10 +0000
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 11:32 +0100
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 04:11 -0400
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 11:38 +0100
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 02:27 -0400
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:07 +0000
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 03:04 -0400
Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 22:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:17 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 20:54 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 23:21 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:01 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 14:38 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 21:06 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 19:04 +0000
High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-21 22:51 +0000
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 00:54 +0000
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:58 +0200
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 13:45 +0000
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 20:47 +0200
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:46 +0000
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:42 +0000
Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:45 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 23:30 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 01:34 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-10 06:48 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 11:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 08:59 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 23:46 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:37 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 23:02 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 22:58 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 04:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:06 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 13:33 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-10 19:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-11 01:04 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-10 23:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-17 13:50 +0200
Good Old DOS and Ancient Windows: TSR Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-21 22:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-08-11 10:32 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:34 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:29 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 10:06 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-07 02:56 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-07 08:07 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-07 03:55 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-07 10:59 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:39 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 06:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 17:58 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:53 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:27 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:27 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 19:06 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-07 10:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 17:47 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:03 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 18:12 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:43 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:43 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:40 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 20:53 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 20:43 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:15 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 00:07 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 22:53 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:45 +0800
[OT] Minix "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:55 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-08 14:23 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 12:48 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 21:21 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:22 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 22:17 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:26 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:32 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:38 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:35 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:48 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-12 09:36 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 08:18 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:02 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 06:46 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 08:18 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:19 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 14:49 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 00:30 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:21 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 23:24 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:23 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 13:36 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 12:42 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-10 12:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:53 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 19:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:05 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 01:42 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:55 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:41 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:59 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-12 16:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 02:36 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 09:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 14:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 10:52 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:04 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 06:16 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 05:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 01:00 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:19 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 20:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:06 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 12:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-14 13:04 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:19 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 13:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 09:35 +0000
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0100
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 13:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <108np50$tf71$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72391 |
On 8/27/25 05:40, Daniel70 wrote: > On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >> Paul wrote: >> >> [snip useful figures] >>> >>> If your commute Mon-Fri is 20 miles in to work, 20 miles home, >>> that is 40*241Wh or 9.6KWh. Using an 8 hour recharge cycle, >>> you can put that mileage back at 1200 watts charging. Can you >>> manage a 115V charger at 1200 watts on a 60 amp panel ? And in the San Francisco Bay Area we have some commutes that are 80-100 miles each way. Back in the 1960s we had people who rode the bus from Sacramento to San Francisco then had a rented room until the end of their work week when they commuted via bus again back to the Sacramento area. Now a days they are driving or riding commuter trains from other places in the Central Valley. >> >> Here in the real world our old panels are also 60A but nominally 240v, >> so 1200W is no problem at all. Standard 13A outlets provide over 3kW >> so no need for special wiring. Most older homes require some re-wiring and separate charging connectors to deal with vehicle charging. >> >> But I've read that in the USA most houses have a 230v supply for >> electric cookers and the 115v supply is really only for lighting. Is >> that in fact true? > > You're joking, aren't you?? I had heard that US of A had 115v Mains. Is > that the case and they double the voltage to run the Cooker .... or do > they have 230v Mains and step it down to run Lighting?? > > In either case THAT's Weird!! No it is the result of historical solutions when ceramic insulation for power was put in the walls of the houses. Watch some of This Old House when they are doing a renovation. In the old days Edison wanted to supply houses with DC and needed a generation station every few blocks. DC was still in use in NYC when I was a kid years after AC had conquered it but you see the economical soluiton was ~220 V AC lines and then at the house if you had no need for anything but lighting to split off the 110-120 V to the house. If the need was there then you could get 220-240 V into the house, home, shop or whatever. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 03:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mha0sbFh69eU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72418 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:17:34 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > And in the San Francisco Bay Area we have some commutes that are > 80-100 miles each way. Back in the 1960s we had people who rode the bus > from Sacramento to San Francisco then had a rented room until the end of > their work week when they commuted via bus again back to the Sacramento > area. Now a days they are driving or riding commuter trains from other > places in the Central Valley. I lived in southern New Hampshire and if I had work in the Boston area that's what I did although I drove. There was a bus but the schedule wasn't very convenient. Boston was fun to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. Unless there was something interesting going on over the weekend I was making tracks Friday afternoon.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 21:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mh9bf9FdunlU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72391 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 22:40:18 +1000, Daniel70 wrote: > You're joking, aren't you?? I had heard that US of A had 115v Mains. Is > that the case and they double the voltage to run the Cooker .... or do > they have 230v Mains and step it down to run Lighting?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 00:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <f5icnUXbt_1ufTL1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72391 |
On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: > On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >> Paul wrote: >> >> [snip useful figures] >>> >>> If your commute Mon-Fri is 20 miles in to work, 20 miles home, >>> that is 40*241Wh or 9.6KWh. Using an 8 hour recharge cycle, >>> you can put that mileage back at 1200 watts charging. Can you >>> manage a 115V charger at 1200 watts on a 60 amp panel ? >> >> Here in the real world our old panels are also 60A but nominally 240v, >> so 1200W is no problem at all. Standard 13A outlets provide over 3kW >> so no need for special wiring. >> >> But I've read that in the USA most houses have a 230v supply for >> electric cookers and the 115v supply is really only for lighting. Is >> that in fact true? > > You're joking, aren't you?? I had heard that US of A had 115v Mains. Is > that the case and they double the voltage to run the Cooker .... or do > they have 230v Mains and step it down to run Lighting?? > > In either case THAT's Weird!! USA - and by considerable personal/professional experience - the electric comes in as 240v/200a service ... two hot wires and a neutral. Ground is also a wire but does not come in from the utility, gotta drive a rod 20' into the literal ground nearby. Both hots to neutral = 120v Between the hots, 240v MOST things in US homes run on 120v. 15-20 amp breakers on most circuits. "Large Appliances" like electric stoves and A/C units run on 240v. Own one of those cheap welder units, that's 240v/50a. 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous than 240v. 120vAC was a close aprox of the old Edison 90vDC services. I remember a lot of "universal motors" in old appliances, worked on 120vac or 90vdc. Put out a lot of ozone though, really sparky armature contacts. Hey, where do you think AC/DC got its name - a sister of one of the group saw that on an appliance. NOT quite the same meaning it came to have in the USA however :-) USA, "3-phase" has THREE hot wires ... typically 230v, 240v or 480v between each, plus a neutral. Voltage to the neutral from any hot wire is half the hot voltage. Wired up a lot of industrial-sized panels with that. (hey, since I was the computer/electronics guy I also became the electric-service guy, gotta love smaller orgs !). SOMETIMES they leave out the neutral and ground, naught but hots, so beware. Do NOT use 'ground' as the neutral - the quality of that connection tends to be 'variable', 'ground' is only a 'safety' feature, not meant to channel a lot of amps. SOME home systems, ground gets tied to neutral. NOT the best practice IMHO, they really have somewhat different purposes. Both 'neutral' and 'ground' are kind of RELATIVE. 'Neutral' is a center tap from a transformer, NOT always guarenteed to be zero volts except RELATIVE to the hot wires. Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you only connect the ground on ONE end because over some hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents can be obtained from separated grounds. Always thought that might be exploited somehow. Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 13:29 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <f6r5olx0lg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72463 |
On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: > On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>> Paul wrote: >>> >>> [snip useful figures] >>>> >>>> If your commute Mon-Fri is 20 miles in to work, 20 miles home, >>>> that is 40*241Wh or 9.6KWh. Using an 8 hour recharge cycle, >>>> you can put that mileage back at 1200 watts charging. Can you >>>> manage a 115V charger at 1200 watts on a 60 amp panel ? >>> >>> Here in the real world our old panels are also 60A but nominally >>> 240v, so 1200W is no problem at all. Standard 13A outlets provide >>> over 3kW so no need for special wiring. >>> >>> But I've read that in the USA most houses have a 230v supply for >>> electric cookers and the 115v supply is really only for lighting. Is >>> that in fact true? >> >> You're joking, aren't you?? I had heard that US of A had 115v Mains. >> Is that the case and they double the voltage to run the Cooker .... or >> do they have 230v Mains and step it down to run Lighting?? >> >> In either case THAT's Weird!! > > USA - and by considerable personal/professional experience - > the electric comes in as 240v/200a service ... two hot > wires and a neutral. Ground is also a wire but does not > come in from the utility, gotta drive a rod 20' into the > literal ground nearby. > > Both hots to neutral = 120v > > Between the hots, 240v > > MOST things in US homes run on 120v. 15-20 amp breakers > on most circuits. "Large Appliances" like electric stoves > and A/C units run on 240v. Own one of those cheap welder > units, that's 240v/50a. > > 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but > beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga > to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous > than 240v. Except fire-wise :-) > 120vAC was a close aprox of the old Edison 90vDC services. > I remember a lot of "universal motors" in old appliances, > worked on 120vac or 90vdc. Put out a lot of ozone though, > really sparky armature contacts. Hey, where do you think > AC/DC got its name - a sister of one of the group saw > that on an appliance. NOT quite the same meaning it came > to have in the USA however :-) > > USA, "3-phase" has THREE hot wires ... typically 230v, > 240v or 480v between each, plus a neutral. Voltage to > the neutral from any hot wire is half the hot voltage. > Wired up a lot of industrial-sized panels with that. > (hey, since I was the computer/electronics guy I also > became the electric-service guy, gotta love smaller > orgs !). SOMETIMES they leave out the neutral and > ground, naught but hots, so beware. > > Do NOT use 'ground' as the neutral - the quality of that > connection tends to be 'variable', 'ground' is only a > 'safety' feature, not meant to channel a lot of amps. > > SOME home systems, ground gets tied to neutral. NOT the > best practice IMHO, they really have somewhat different > purposes. Both 'neutral' and 'ground' are kind of RELATIVE. > 'Neutral' is a center tap from a transformer, NOT always > guarenteed to be zero volts except RELATIVE to the > hot wires. > > Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you > only connect the ground on ONE end because over some > hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' > is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents > can be obtained from separated grounds. Always > thought that might be exploited somehow. Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud-speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables without hum. On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss connected a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny spark. Sure enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I measured the voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains voltage. A subproduct of the PSU filtering. The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of grounding the computers from then on. > > Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. > > Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. :-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 09:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <6P6cndY_yqfjxS31nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72511 |
On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>> Paul wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip useful figures] >>>>> >>>>> If your commute Mon-Fri is 20 miles in to work, 20 miles home, >>>>> that is 40*241Wh or 9.6KWh. Using an 8 hour recharge cycle, >>>>> you can put that mileage back at 1200 watts charging. Can you >>>>> manage a 115V charger at 1200 watts on a 60 amp panel ? >>>> >>>> Here in the real world our old panels are also 60A but nominally >>>> 240v, so 1200W is no problem at all. Standard 13A outlets provide >>>> over 3kW so no need for special wiring. >>>> >>>> But I've read that in the USA most houses have a 230v supply for >>>> electric cookers and the 115v supply is really only for lighting. >>>> Is that in fact true? >>> >>> You're joking, aren't you?? I had heard that US of A had 115v Mains. >>> Is that the case and they double the voltage to run the Cooker .... >>> or do they have 230v Mains and step it down to run Lighting?? >>> >>> In either case THAT's Weird!! >> >> USA - and by considerable personal/professional experience - >> the electric comes in as 240v/200a service ... two hot >> wires and a neutral. Ground is also a wire but does not >> come in from the utility, gotta drive a rod 20' into the >> literal ground nearby. >> >> Both hots to neutral = 120v >> >> Between the hots, 240v >> >> MOST things in US homes run on 120v. 15-20 amp breakers >> on most circuits. "Large Appliances" like electric stoves >> and A/C units run on 240v. Own one of those cheap welder >> units, that's 240v/50a. >> >> 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but >> beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga >> to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous >> than 240v. > > Except fire-wise :-) Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-) If building a brand new house now I'd insist on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. Very worth the slight extra expense. A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they don't WANT to see anything and some get brown envelopes full of cash too. My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices and industrial Romex and most is also in metal conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF and did live there for a few years. >> 120vAC was a close aprox of the old Edison 90vDC services. >> I remember a lot of "universal motors" in old appliances, >> worked on 120vac or 90vdc. Put out a lot of ozone though, >> really sparky armature contacts. Hey, where do you think >> AC/DC got its name - a sister of one of the group saw >> that on an appliance. NOT quite the same meaning it came >> to have in the USA however :-) >> >> USA, "3-phase" has THREE hot wires ... typically 230v, >> 240v or 480v between each, plus a neutral. Voltage to >> the neutral from any hot wire is half the hot voltage. >> Wired up a lot of industrial-sized panels with that. >> (hey, since I was the computer/electronics guy I also >> became the electric-service guy, gotta love smaller >> orgs !). SOMETIMES they leave out the neutral and >> ground, naught but hots, so beware. >> >> Do NOT use 'ground' as the neutral - the quality of that >> connection tends to be 'variable', 'ground' is only a >> 'safety' feature, not meant to channel a lot of amps. >> >> SOME home systems, ground gets tied to neutral. NOT the >> best practice IMHO, they really have somewhat different >> purposes. Both 'neutral' and 'ground' are kind of RELATIVE. >> 'Neutral' is a center tap from a transformer, NOT always >> guarenteed to be zero volts except RELATIVE to the >> hot wires. >> >> Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you >> only connect the ground on ONE end because over some >> hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' >> is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents >> can be obtained from separated grounds. Always >> thought that might be exploited somehow. > > Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud-speaker > system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables without hum. > > > On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss connected a > printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny spark. Sure enough, > the printer port on the computer was fried. I measured the voltage at > the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains voltage. A subproduct of the > PSU filtering. > > The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of > grounding the computers from then on. Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires. >> Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. >> >> Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. > > :-) Got a copy of "Ugly's" ? :-) There are a few other good field guides, but DO love the name "Ugly's".
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 18:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mhblhsFplqiU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72522 |
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 09:24:12 -0400, c186282 wrote: > If building a brand new house now I'd insist > on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. > Very worth the slight extra expense. Little overkill. The NEC calls for 12ga and that already has a safety margin built in. 14ga 15A 12ga 20A 10ga 30A Usually not a concern for residential but going heavier means you may be looking at larger EMT to keep the fill in spec.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 21:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <d6n6olx08p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72522 |
On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote: > On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>>> Paul wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip useful figures] ... >>> 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but >>> beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga >>> to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous >>> than 240v. >> >> Except fire-wise :-) > > > Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-) > > If building a brand new house now I'd insist > on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. > Very worth the slight extra expense. > > A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga > on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and > do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they > don't WANT to see anything and some get brown > envelopes full of cash too. Good. On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up after some years. > > My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of > the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices > and industrial Romex and most is also in metal > conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the > old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and > corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF > and did live there for a few years. I re-wired part of my house, cables are soldered except at some points when they go into some device. ... >>> Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you >>> only connect the ground on ONE end because over some >>> hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' >>> is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents >>> can be obtained from separated grounds. Always >>> thought that might be exploited somehow. >> >> Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud- >> speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables >> without hum. >> >> >> On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss connected >> a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny spark. Sure >> enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I measured the >> voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains voltage. A >> subproduct of the PSU filtering. >> >> The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of >> grounding the computers from then on. > > Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with > communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires. > >>> Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. >>> >>> Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. >> >> :-) > > Got a copy of "Ugly's" ? :-) Oops, I was smiling at the previous sentence actually :-) > > There are a few other good field guides, but > DO love the name "Ugly's". -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 23:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mhc65iFsgdjU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72547 |
On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:27:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is a > possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up after > some years. A soldered connection in residential wiring would be rare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector Applications where there is vibration would use insulated butt connectors although the crimpless type are popular. They use a low melting point alloy so its more or less back to a soldered connection. https://powerwerx.com/heat-shrink-solder-sleeve-crimpless-connectors For large industrial transformers or motors I used crimped ring tongue terminals. Those were fastened together with a screw and nut, wrapped with rubber tape, and then with vinyl electrical tape for abrasion resistance. Overkill but you really didn't want sparks from a 460 VAC junction box.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 15:06 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <28l8olxic2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72559 |
On 2025-08-29 01:13, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:27:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is a >> possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up after >> some years. > > A soldered connection in residential wiring would be rare. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector > > Applications where there is vibration would use insulated butt connectors > although the crimpless type are popular. They use a low melting point > alloy so its more or less back to a soldered connection. > > https://powerwerx.com/heat-shrink-solder-sleeve-crimpless-connectors I have never seen these. How do you use them? Solder in the centre? But the plastic either melts or shrinks, no? > > For large industrial transformers or motors I used crimped ring tongue > terminals. Those were fastened together with a screw and nut, wrapped with > rubber tape, and then with vinyl electrical tape for abrasion resistance. > Overkill but you really didn't want sparks from a 460 VAC junction box. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 19:01 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <108spug$256ak$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72629 |
On 29/08/2025 14:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I have never seen these. How do you use them? Solder in the centre? But > the plastic either melts or shrinks, no? Solder melts before shrinkwrap shrinks, Use heat gun -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 18:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mhe8lvF8e0iU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72629 |
On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:06:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-29 01:13, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:27:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is >>> a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up >>> after some years. >> >> A soldered connection in residential wiring would be rare. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector >> >> Applications where there is vibration would use insulated butt >> connectors although the crimpless type are popular. They use a low >> melting point alloy so its more or less back to a soldered connection. >> >> https://powerwerx.com/heat-shrink-solder-sleeve-crimpless-connectors > > I have never seen these. How do you use them? Solder in the centre? But > the plastic either melts or shrinks, no? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unxEdyW8RP8 The shrinking is part of the design. He uses a heat gun but in the field without electricity a butane micro torch works well. You just need a deft touch. A BIC lighter works too in a pinch but the metal part gets pretty hot. Whether flooding the join with solder is better is a good question. However standard crimp connectors, wire nuts, and the push in connections used with solid wire use no solder at all.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 19:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <108sssa$256ak$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72652 |
On 29/08/2025 19:09, rbowman wrote: > However standard crimp connectors, wire nuts, and the push in connections > used with solid wire use no solder at all. Many studies have been done on wire connections. The short version is that it depends on the application and the environment Solder is ideal for rigid connections not under massive vibration and not subject to chemical attack, but it needs an operator with skill, so that's most electricians out then... Crimping is about the same as screw-down in that it aims to compress the wire inside which will have enough elasticity to jam itself in. In time it too may fail but its not prone to metal fatigue like a soldered joint is - solder makes a single wire out of flexible multistrand...Jelly filled crimps are a must have for underground cables IDC is good for single copper wires under light load. Wire wrap is surprisingly good for backplanes, In all case it is advisable to support the joint mechanically to prevent flexure. Heat shrink is excellent for this and helps prevent corrosion -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 22:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <mvd9olx74t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72652 |
On 2025-08-29 20:09, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 15:06:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-08-29 01:13, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:27:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is >>>> a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up >>>> after some years. >>> >>> A soldered connection in residential wiring would be rare. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector >>> >>> Applications where there is vibration would use insulated butt >>> connectors although the crimpless type are popular. They use a low >>> melting point alloy so its more or less back to a soldered connection. >>> >>> https://powerwerx.com/heat-shrink-solder-sleeve-crimpless-connectors >> >> I have never seen these. How do you use them? Solder in the centre? But >> the plastic either melts or shrinks, no? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unxEdyW8RP8 > > The shrinking is part of the design. He uses a heat gun but in the field > without electricity a butane micro torch works well. You just need a deft > touch. A BIC lighter works too in a pinch but the metal part gets pretty > hot. Very interesting, thanks. > > Whether flooding the join with solder is better is a good question. > However standard crimp connectors, wire nuts, and the push in connections > used with solid wire use no solder at all. > > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <_5icnRV-0u3CKyz1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72559 |
On 8/28/25 7:13 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:27:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is a >> possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up after >> some years. > > A soldered connection in residential wiring would be rare. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-on_wire_connector > > Applications where there is vibration would use insulated butt connectors > although the crimpless type are popular. They use a low melting point > alloy so its more or less back to a soldered connection. > > https://powerwerx.com/heat-shrink-solder-sleeve-crimpless-connectors > > For large industrial transformers or motors I used crimped ring tongue > terminals. Those were fastened together with a screw and nut, wrapped with > rubber tape, and then with vinyl electrical tape for abrasion resistance. > Overkill but you really didn't want sparks from a 460 VAC junction box. No, not overkill. Sparks are bad - flash-burns are worse. I scored a roll of 2" dense-woven fiberglass tape. You put a quick wrap of that around the big wire connector and then the vinyl tape. Keeps the tape goo from gumming-up the threads on the connector. Much easier to remove and re-use. If in a vibration environment - like the connections AT a motor - I always added a cap of shrink on top of the tape. Shrunk a little that stuff is tough.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 03:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <J7OdnYGOSYyVziz1nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72547 |
On 8/28/25 3:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote: >> On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>>>> Paul wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip useful figures] > > ... > >>>> 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but >>>> beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga >>>> to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous >>>> than 240v. >>> >>> Except fire-wise :-) >> >> >> Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-) >> >> If building a brand new house now I'd insist >> on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. >> Very worth the slight extra expense. >> >> A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga >> on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and >> do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they >> don't WANT to see anything and some get brown >> envelopes full of cash too. > > Good. > > On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is a > possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up after > some years. There are two enemies of electrical connections ... oxidation and the tendency of copper to keep compressing under load. Either can lead to overheating/fire eventually. Had an odd problem in an out-building. The lights would come on BUT if you flipped on the little welder unit everything would go black. An electrician finally found that the 40 year old connection to the out-building in the main panel had 'compressed' and was nearly just LOOSE. A quick re-tighten fixed all ... but that sort of thing CAN sneak up on you. Worst problem ever, USA, was when aluminum electrical wire was first introduced. Especially in coastal areas the stuff would corrode - every plug socket. Five or ten years and the flames would start. Soldered connections, they just don't DO that anymore. It's twist (maybe) and one of those screw-over caps. NOT really good. Short-term cheap, longer-term DOOM. >> My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of >> the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices >> and industrial Romex and most is also in metal >> conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the >> old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and >> corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF >> and did live there for a few years. > > I re-wired part of my house, cables are soldered except at some points > when they go into some device. Then you're in luck ! Really DO want those soldered connections esp for stuff in the ceiling and walls where you can't see or get to it. Otherwise ... do you REALLY want connections in the attic getting red hot ? Breakers/fuses won't SEE that. But, they don't DO that anymore. The guy who built his/my house had access to true 50s 'industrial' Romex. Insulated wires, HEAVY outer cover plus HEAVY fiberglas-reinforced 2nd jacket. Should be used everywhere IMHO, but, of course, they won't. > ... > >>>> Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you >>>> only connect the ground on ONE end because over some >>>> hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' >>>> is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents >>>> can be obtained from separated grounds. Always >>>> thought that might be exploited somehow. >>> >>> Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud- >>> speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables >>> without hum. >>> >>> >>> On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss connected >>> a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny spark. Sure >>> enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I measured the >>> voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains voltage. A >>> subproduct of the PSU filtering. >>> >>> The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of >>> grounding the computers from then on. >> >> Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with >> communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires. >> >>>> Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. >>>> >>>> Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. >>> >>> :-) >> >> Got a copy of "Ugly's" ? :-) > > Oops, I was smiling at the previous sentence actually :-) The 45 years ??? Hey, they DID pay me for this stuff. Dad was a master electrician, industrial/mil. Sometimes I paid attention. My fave was 50-100hp pump control panels. You could wait three months, pay $9000, OR build them yourself from parts on Grainger/McMasters. 3-phase main breaker feeds phase/voltage monitor which feeds restart delay timer which feeds the actual motor-starter. Fuses in between each stage. Not too difficult. In case of a power blink you do NOT want a large pump immediately restarting because there'll be a back-surge - and you will either shear off your impeller or overload the motor or both. A simple 60sec delay timer fixes that. Reversible pumps double the complexity, but not the logic. Never had complaints from any 'real' electricians who came along after. Anyway, you could build them in a day for WAY WAY less than $9000. Also interesting are '3-phase converters' - 1ph to 3ph. MOST of them are CRAP, really NO power to the 3rd leg except right at start-up to get it going in the right direction. Can't always get 3-ph alas but you NEED it to run larger motors. "Rotary" converters work well - BUT if in like a sea-side environment they'll CORRODE. "Static" is best there. Strongly rec "RONK" static converters. You DO have to "tune them in" - adjust transformer and cap-bank jumpers - but if you do it right you can get almost perfect power on all 3 phases. DO remember the 'yellow wire' ... important :-) >> There are a few other good field guides, but >> DO love the name "Ugly's".
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 15:16 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <lql8olx855.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72589 |
On 2025-08-29 09:13, c186282 wrote: > On 8/28/25 3:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote: >>> On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>>>>> Paul wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [snip useful figures] >> >> ... >> >>>>> 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but >>>>> beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga >>>>> to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous >>>>> than 240v. >>>> >>>> Except fire-wise :-) >>> >>> >>> Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-) >>> >>> If building a brand new house now I'd insist >>> on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. >>> Very worth the slight extra expense. >>> >>> A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga >>> on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and >>> do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they >>> don't WANT to see anything and some get brown >>> envelopes full of cash too. >> >> Good. >> >> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is >> a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up >> after some years. > > There are two enemies of electrical connections ... oxidation > and the tendency of copper to keep compressing under load. > Either can lead to overheating/fire eventually. > > Had an odd problem in an out-building. The lights would > come on BUT if you flipped on the little welder unit > everything would go black. An electrician finally found > that the 40 year old connection to the out-building in > the main panel had 'compressed' and was nearly just LOOSE. > A quick re-tighten fixed all ... but that sort of thing > CAN sneak up on you. > > Worst problem ever, USA, was when aluminum electrical > wire was first introduced. Especially in coastal areas > the stuff would corrode - every plug socket. Five or > ten years and the flames would start. > > Soldered connections, they just don't DO that anymore. > It's twist (maybe) and one of those screw-over caps. > NOT really good. Short-term cheap, longer-term DOOM. > > >>> My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of >>> the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices >>> and industrial Romex and most is also in metal >>> conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the >>> old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and >>> corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF >>> and did live there for a few years. >> >> I re-wired part of my house, cables are soldered except at some points >> when they go into some device. > > Then you're in luck ! > > Really DO want those soldered connections esp for stuff > in the ceiling and walls where you can't see or get to it. > Otherwise ... do you REALLY want connections in the attic > getting red hot ? Breakers/fuses won't SEE that. > > But, they don't DO that anymore. > > The guy who built his/my house had access to true 50s > 'industrial' Romex. Insulated wires, HEAVY outer cover > plus HEAVY fiberglas-reinforced 2nd jacket. Should be > used everywhere IMHO, but, of course, they won't. > >> ... >> >>>>> Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you >>>>> only connect the ground on ONE end because over some >>>>> hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' >>>>> is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents >>>>> can be obtained from separated grounds. Always >>>>> thought that might be exploited somehow. >>>> >>>> Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud- >>>> speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables >>>> without hum. >>>> >>>> >>>> On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss >>>> connected a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny >>>> spark. Sure enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I >>>> measured the voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains >>>> voltage. A subproduct of the PSU filtering. >>>> >>>> The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of >>>> grounding the computers from then on. >>> >>> Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with >>> communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires. >>> >>>>> Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. >>>>> >>>>> Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. >>>> >>>> :-) >>> >>> Got a copy of "Ugly's" ? :-) >> >> Oops, I was smiling at the previous sentence actually :-) > > The 45 years ??? Hey, they DID pay me for this stuff. > > Dad was a master electrician, industrial/mil. Sometimes > I paid attention. > > My fave was 50-100hp pump control panels. You could > wait three months, pay $9000, OR build them yourself > from parts on Grainger/McMasters. 3-phase main breaker > feeds phase/voltage monitor which feeds restart delay > timer which feeds the actual motor-starter. Fuses in > between each stage. Not too difficult. In case of > a power blink you do NOT want a large pump immediately > restarting because there'll be a back-surge - and you > will either shear off your impeller or overload the > motor or both. A simple 60sec delay timer fixes that. > Reversible pumps double the complexity, but not the > logic. Never had complaints from any 'real' electricians > who came along after. > > Anyway, you could build them in a day for WAY WAY > less than $9000. > > Also interesting are '3-phase converters' - 1ph to 3ph. > MOST of them are CRAP, really NO power to the 3rd leg > except right at start-up to get it going in the right > direction. Can't always get 3-ph alas but you NEED it > to run larger motors. I did not know that. In the 90's we used inverters to drive three phased motors, some quite big, and it was actually three phases. And some were "four quadrants", meaning you could use it as a brake and feed electricity to the network. Sometimes we used DC motors. My boss said that for small powers it was better three phase motor and inverters and for big powers DC was better (aka cheaper). Or the other way round, I don't remember. Now days my AC says it is inverter driven. All I know is that it runs very smooth, I have seen the compressor draw under 200Watts when the temp is stable at night. My fridge is also inverter driven. > > "Rotary" converters work well - BUT if in like a > sea-side environment they'll CORRODE. "Static" is > best there. Strongly rec "RONK" static converters. > You DO have to "tune them in" - adjust transformer > and cap-bank jumpers - but if you do it right you > can get almost perfect power on all 3 phases. > DO remember the 'yellow wire' ... important :-) > > > >>> There are a few other good field guides, but >>> DO love the name "Ugly's". > > > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <UsKdnbziTpa3ICz1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72631 |
On 8/29/25 9:16 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-29 09:13, c186282 wrote: >> On 8/28/25 3:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>>>>>> Paul wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip useful figures] >>> >>> ... >>> >>>>>> 120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but >>>>>> beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga >>>>>> to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous >>>>>> than 240v. >>>>> >>>>> Except fire-wise :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-) >>>> >>>> If building a brand new house now I'd insist >>>> on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin. >>>> Very worth the slight extra expense. >>>> >>>> A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga >>>> on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and >>>> do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they >>>> don't WANT to see anything and some get brown >>>> envelopes full of cash too. >>> >>> Good. >>> >>> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is >>> a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up >>> after some years. >> >> There are two enemies of electrical connections ... oxidation >> and the tendency of copper to keep compressing under load. >> Either can lead to overheating/fire eventually. >> >> Had an odd problem in an out-building. The lights would >> come on BUT if you flipped on the little welder unit >> everything would go black. An electrician finally found >> that the 40 year old connection to the out-building in >> the main panel had 'compressed' and was nearly just LOOSE. >> A quick re-tighten fixed all ... but that sort of thing >> CAN sneak up on you. >> >> Worst problem ever, USA, was when aluminum electrical >> wire was first introduced. Especially in coastal areas >> the stuff would corrode - every plug socket. Five or >> ten years and the flames would start. >> >> Soldered connections, they just don't DO that anymore. >> It's twist (maybe) and one of those screw-over caps. >> NOT really good. Short-term cheap, longer-term DOOM. >> >> >>>> My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of >>>> the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices >>>> and industrial Romex and most is also in metal >>>> conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the >>>> old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and >>>> corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF >>>> and did live there for a few years. >>> >>> I re-wired part of my house, cables are soldered except at some >>> points when they go into some device. >> >> Then you're in luck ! >> >> Really DO want those soldered connections esp for stuff >> in the ceiling and walls where you can't see or get to it. >> Otherwise ... do you REALLY want connections in the attic >> getting red hot ? Breakers/fuses won't SEE that. >> >> But, they don't DO that anymore. >> >> The guy who built his/my house had access to true 50s >> 'industrial' Romex. Insulated wires, HEAVY outer cover >> plus HEAVY fiberglas-reinforced 2nd jacket. Should be >> used everywhere IMHO, but, of course, they won't. >> >>> ... >>> >>>>>> Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you >>>>>> only connect the ground on ONE end because over some >>>>>> hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground' >>>>>> is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents >>>>>> can be obtained from separated grounds. Always >>>>>> thought that might be exploited somehow. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud- >>>>> speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables >>>>> without hum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss >>>>> connected a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny >>>>> spark. Sure enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I >>>>> measured the voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains >>>>> voltage. A subproduct of the PSU filtering. >>>>> >>>>> The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of >>>>> grounding the computers from then on. >>>> >>>> Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with >>>> communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires. >>>> >>>>>> Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet. >>>>> >>>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Got a copy of "Ugly's" ? :-) >>> >>> Oops, I was smiling at the previous sentence actually :-) >> >> The 45 years ??? Hey, they DID pay me for this stuff. >> >> Dad was a master electrician, industrial/mil. Sometimes >> I paid attention. >> >> My fave was 50-100hp pump control panels. You could >> wait three months, pay $9000, OR build them yourself >> from parts on Grainger/McMasters. 3-phase main breaker >> feeds phase/voltage monitor which feeds restart delay >> timer which feeds the actual motor-starter. Fuses in >> between each stage. Not too difficult. In case of >> a power blink you do NOT want a large pump immediately >> restarting because there'll be a back-surge - and you >> will either shear off your impeller or overload the >> motor or both. A simple 60sec delay timer fixes that. >> Reversible pumps double the complexity, but not the >> logic. Never had complaints from any 'real' electricians >> who came along after. >> >> Anyway, you could build them in a day for WAY WAY >> less than $9000. >> >> Also interesting are '3-phase converters' - 1ph to 3ph. >> MOST of them are CRAP, really NO power to the 3rd leg >> except right at start-up to get it going in the right >> direction. Can't always get 3-ph alas but you NEED it >> to run larger motors. > > I did not know that. In the 90's we used inverters to drive three phased > motors, some quite big, and it was actually three phases. And some were > "four quadrants", meaning you could use it as a brake and feed > electricity to the network. Sometimes we used DC motors. > > My boss said that for small powers it was better three phase motor and > inverters and for big powers DC was better (aka cheaper). Or the other > way round, I don't remember. > > Now days my AC says it is inverter driven. All I know is that it runs > very smooth, I have seen the compressor draw under 200Watts when the > temp is stable at night. My fridge is also inverter driven. Depends on what you mean by "inverter". There are now all-electronic units that will make 3ph out of single. A bit pricey but relatively small and reliable. Most want the input voltage to be twice the output voltage. Most will do 'soft starts' also - which can be good if you need to get a big mass moving rather than just 'snap' start everything. The 'snap' can sometimes include drive belts or even shafts :-) A proper "static inverter" has a big transformer and a bank of caps. Between those you can create a fairly well timed 3rd phase. DID price out DC motors once ... for 20hp or more they were more expensive and you also had to buy an AC->DC rectifier unit. Easier to fine-control There's also a funky new kind of motor called "written pole". Didn't look into them too much, the price was like double and 20hp was the largest size I saw. SOUNDS like your fridge actually uses a DC motor, so the "inverter" is a rectifier unit, possibly capable of PWM. >> "Rotary" converters work well - BUT if in like a >> sea-side environment they'll CORRODE. "Static" is >> best there. Strongly rec "RONK" static converters. >> You DO have to "tune them in" - adjust transformer >> and cap-bank jumpers - but if you do it right you >> can get almost perfect power on all 3 phases. >> DO remember the 'yellow wire' ... important :-) >> >> >> >>>> There are a few other good field guides, but >>>> DO love the name "Ugly's".
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <108sqlj$256ak$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72640 |
On 29/08/2025 15:46, c186282 wrote: > Depends on what you mean by "inverter". There are now > all-electronic units that will make 3ph out of single. > A bit pricey but relatively small and reliable. Most > want the input voltage to be twice the output voltage. > Most will do 'soft starts' also - which can be good > if you need to get a big mass moving rather than > just 'snap' start everything. The 'snap' can sometimes > include drive belts or even shafts 🙂 I see you have entirely missed the 'brushless DC' motor that is every drone ever made. Technically a 3 phase motor with no brushes and permanent magnets but called a 'DC' motor because the speed controller uses a 3 phase H bridge to drive the phases from a DC source. Pulse width modulation of the phases controls the speed. Rotor position is sense in the coil that not being used for drive power at that moment, Or sometimes with a separate sensor AC or DC isn't really an issue these days - let's face it a brushed DC motor is an AC motor whose AC is generated by a commutator ... Electronics is getting so cxheap that it may well be easier to use a switched mode power supply to chop the mains up into several phases to apply to a 3 phase brushless motors Yiu could call that an 'inverter' I suppose -- “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 22:15 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Pickup trucks for city boys |
| Message-ID | <pbe9olxhvt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #72640 |
On 2025-08-29 16:46, c186282 wrote: > On 8/29/25 9:16 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-29 09:13, c186282 wrote: >>> On 8/28/25 3:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote: >>>>>>>>> Paul wrote: ... >>> Anyway, you could build them in a day for WAY WAY >>> less than $9000. >>> >>> Also interesting are '3-phase converters' - 1ph to 3ph. >>> MOST of them are CRAP, really NO power to the 3rd leg >>> except right at start-up to get it going in the right >>> direction. Can't always get 3-ph alas but you NEED it >>> to run larger motors. >> >> I did not know that. In the 90's we used inverters to drive three >> phased motors, some quite big, and it was actually three phases. And >> some were "four quadrants", meaning you could use it as a brake and >> feed electricity to the network. Sometimes we used DC motors. >> >> My boss said that for small powers it was better three phase motor and >> inverters and for big powers DC was better (aka cheaper). Or the other >> way round, I don't remember. >> >> Now days my AC says it is inverter driven. All I know is that it runs >> very smooth, I have seen the compressor draw under 200Watts when the >> temp is stable at night. My fridge is also inverter driven. > > Depends on what you mean by "inverter". There are now > all-electronic units that will make 3ph out of single. > A bit pricey but relatively small and reliable. Most > want the input voltage to be twice the output voltage. > Most will do 'soft starts' also - which can be good > if you need to get a big mass moving rather than > just 'snap' start everything. The 'snap' can sometimes > include drive belts or even shafts :-) > > A proper "static inverter" has a big transformer and a > bank of caps. Between those you can create a fairly well > timed 3rd phase. > > DID price out DC motors once ... for 20hp or more > they were more expensive and you also had to buy > an AC->DC rectifier unit. Easier to fine-control > > There's also a funky new kind of motor called > "written pole". Didn't look into them too much, > the price was like double and 20hp was the largest > size I saw. > > SOUNDS like your fridge actually uses a DC motor, > so the "inverter" is a rectifier unit, possibly > capable of PWM. It is an LG Inverter Linear Compressor. I don't know what it actually means. Chatgpt says it is a piston, non rotating (I guessed so). Also that it had trouble on USA, there was a class action lawsuit. ... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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