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Re: Pickup trucks for city boys

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Pickup trucks for city boys
Date 2025-08-29 15:16 +0200
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On 2025-08-29 09:13, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/28/25 3:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-28 15:24, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/28/25 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-08-28 06:53, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/27/25 8:40 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/08/2025 9:06 pm, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip useful figures]
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>    120v requires slightly larger wires. You WANT 12ga but
>>>>>    beware cheap-ass contractors who try to sneak in 14ga
>>>>>    to save a few bucks. On the plus, 120v is less dangerous
>>>>>    than 240v.
>>>>
>>>> Except fire-wise :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>    Only if you let the contractor fudge it :-)
>>>
>>>    If building a brand new house now I'd insist
>>>    on 10ga for 20a breakers - a fair safety margin.
>>>    Very worth the slight extra expense.
>>>
>>>    A guy I know CAUGHT the contractor putting 14ga
>>>    on 20a circuits - made him tear it all out and
>>>    do-over. NEVER count on 'inspectors' - they
>>>    don't WANT to see anything and some get brown
>>>    envelopes full of cash too.
>>
>> Good.
>>
>> On most places, I guess the connections are not soldered, and rust is 
>> a possibility. Then there are sockets and switches. They can heat up 
>> after some years.
> 
>    There are two enemies of electrical connections ... oxidation
>    and the tendency of copper to keep compressing under load.
>    Either can lead to overheating/fire eventually.
> 
>    Had an odd problem in an out-building. The lights would
>    come on BUT if you flipped on the little welder unit
>    everything would go black. An electrician finally found
>    that the 40 year old connection to the out-building in
>    the main panel had 'compressed' and was nearly just LOOSE.
>    A quick re-tighten fixed all ... but that sort of thing
>    CAN sneak up on you.
> 
>    Worst problem ever, USA, was when aluminum electrical
>    wire was first introduced. Especially in coastal areas
>    the stuff would corrode - every plug socket. Five or
>    ten years and the flames would start.
> 
>    Soldered connections, they just don't DO that anymore.
>    It's twist (maybe) and one of those screw-over caps.
>    NOT really good. Short-term cheap, longer-term DOOM.
> 
> 
>>>    My existing house is OLD - early '50s. Most of
>>>    the original wiring was twist+SOLDER splices
>>>    and industrial Romex and most is also in metal
>>>    conduit. Don't know HOW they did solder in the
>>>    old days - giant iron, pot ? DOES bar oxygen and
>>>    corrosion though. The builder built it for HIMSELF
>>>    and did live there for a few years.
>>
>> I re-wired part of my house, cables are soldered except at some points 
>> when they go into some device.
> 
>    Then you're in luck !
> 
>    Really DO want those soldered connections esp for stuff
>    in the ceiling and walls where you can't see or get to it.
>    Otherwise ... do you REALLY want connections in the attic
>    getting red hot ? Breakers/fuses won't SEE that.
> 
>    But, they don't DO that anymore.
> 
>    The guy who built his/my house had access to true 50s
>    'industrial' Romex. Insulated wires, HEAVY outer cover
>    plus HEAVY fiberglas-reinforced 2nd jacket. Should be
>    used everywhere IMHO, but, of course, they won't.
> 
>> ...
>>
>>>>>    Oh, for DATA wiring - like RS-485 and friends - you
>>>>>    only connect the ground on ONE end because over some
>>>>>    hundreds or thousands of feet the value of 'ground'
>>>>>    is DIFFERENT. Large, albeit low voltage, currents
>>>>>    can be obtained from separated grounds. Always
>>>>>    thought that might be exploited somehow.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I know that one, learned early. I did that trick on the loud- 
>>>> speaker system of a student venue. I managed long microphone cables 
>>>> without hum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On my first job, I experienced a related one. Me or my boss 
>>>> connected a printer (parallel cable) to a computer, saw a tiny 
>>>> spark. Sure enough, the printer port on the computer was fried. I 
>>>> measured the voltage at the computer chasis: 110ac, half the mains 
>>>> voltage. A subproduct of the PSU filtering.
>>>>
>>>> The computer was not grounded. Taught my boss the importance of 
>>>> grounding the computers from then on.
>>>
>>>    Differing ground potential IS an issue - esp with
>>>    communication circuits. Can burn those tiny wires.
>>>
>>>>>    Anyway, that's my 45+ years of paycheck experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Suggest "Ugly's" handbook for the short and sweet.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>    Got a copy of "Ugly's" ?  :-)
>>
>> Oops, I was smiling at the previous sentence actually :-)
> 
>    The 45 years ??? Hey, they DID pay me for this stuff.
> 
>    Dad was a master electrician, industrial/mil. Sometimes
>    I paid attention.
> 
>    My fave was 50-100hp pump control panels. You could
>    wait three months, pay $9000, OR build them yourself
>    from parts on Grainger/McMasters. 3-phase main breaker
>    feeds phase/voltage monitor which feeds restart delay
>    timer which feeds the actual motor-starter. Fuses in
>    between each stage. Not too difficult. In case of
>    a power blink you do NOT want a large pump immediately
>    restarting because there'll be a back-surge - and you
>    will either shear off your impeller or overload the
>    motor or both. A simple 60sec delay timer fixes that.
>    Reversible pumps double the complexity, but not the
>    logic. Never had complaints from any 'real' electricians
>    who came along after.
> 
>    Anyway, you could build them in a day for WAY WAY
>    less than $9000.
> 
>    Also interesting are '3-phase converters' - 1ph to 3ph.
>    MOST of them are CRAP, really NO power to the 3rd leg
>    except right at start-up to get it going in the right
>    direction. Can't always get 3-ph alas but you NEED it
>    to run larger motors.

I did not know that. In the 90's we used inverters to drive three phased 
motors, some quite big, and it was actually three phases. And some were 
"four quadrants", meaning you could use it as a brake and feed 
electricity to the network. Sometimes we used DC motors.

My boss said that for small powers it was better three phase motor and 
inverters and for big powers DC was better (aka cheaper). Or the other 
way round, I don't remember.

Now days my AC says it is inverter driven. All I know is that it runs 
very smooth, I have seen the compressor draw under 200Watts when the 
temp is stable at night. My fridge is also inverter driven.

> 
>    "Rotary" converters work well - BUT if in like a
>    sea-side environment they'll CORRODE. "Static" is
>    best there. Strongly rec "RONK" static converters.
>    You DO have to "tune them in" - adjust transformer
>    and cap-bank jumpers - but if you do it right you
>    can get almost perfect power on all 3 phases.
>    DO remember the 'yellow wire' ... important  :-)
> 
> 
> 
>>>    There are a few other good field guides, but
>>>    DO love the name "Ugly's".
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 14:15 +0200
  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 17:01 +0100
    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000
    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:36 +0000
    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 11:20 +0100
      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 14:37 +0200
        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 13:51 +0100
        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:42 +0000
          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:01 +0200
          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-26 16:07 -0700
            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:34 -0400
            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 03:38 +0000
              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 11:47 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:04 -0700
                Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:19 +0200
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 15:08 -0700
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:35 +0200
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:17 +0000
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:55 +0200
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:24 -0400
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:06 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 21:40 +0200
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-29 12:16 -0700
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:23 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-30 10:37 -0700
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:57 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:18 +1000
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:16 +1000
                Capitalism and Population collapse [Re: Costs of transport] Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 13:46 +0000
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:11 +0000
                Re: Costs of transport Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:19 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:45 +0100
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                Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:23 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 08:30 -0700
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 06:06 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:32 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:02 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:49 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:16 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:27 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 14:25 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:20 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:15 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:51 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:17 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 23:12 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 22:43 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:26 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 04:01 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:58 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0000
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                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 21:53 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:27 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:31 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:47 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:07 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:43 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
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                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:00 +0200
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 20:45 +0000
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:35 +0200
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:46 +0000
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:21 +0200
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:32 +0000
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:28 +0200
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:45 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:02 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:29 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:28 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:34 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:10 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:43 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:04 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:59 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:24 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:36 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:53 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:33 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:47 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:21 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:45 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:22 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-31 12:09 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 21:57 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:30 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:44 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:55 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:05 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 20:08 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:47 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 04:18 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:18 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:09 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:42 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 22:47 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:30 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:47 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:45 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:17 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:32 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:38 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:53 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:29 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:49 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:49 +0000
              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-27 06:10 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-27 12:06 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:40 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:20 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-08-27 13:18 -0500
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:42 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:49 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:57 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:43 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:38 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:28 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:35 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 22:15 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:18 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:34 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:57 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-29 08:52 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:56 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:16 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 09:58 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:08 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:26 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:14 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:27 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:21 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-08-29 14:04 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:18 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:47 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:26 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:28 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:15 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:02 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:14 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:10 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-08-30 18:37 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:03 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:05 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-31 09:07 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:41 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 18:55 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:54 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:37 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:40 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:47 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:45 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:27 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:17 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:31 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:26 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 00:53 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:29 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:24 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:30 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:27 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:13 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:06 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:01 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:09 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:51 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:08 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:13 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:16 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:15 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:04 +0100
                Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:58 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:30 -0400
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:18 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:43 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:34 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:43 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:13 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                Halogen lamps. [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:36 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 08:00 -0400
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:16 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-01 19:28 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 21:49 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:32 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:15 +0100
                Storey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:28 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:59 +1000
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:52 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:45 -0400
                Re: Soldered connections. Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:24 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 17:30 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 -0700
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:03 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-02 11:50 -0700
                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:27 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:01 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:24 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:36 +0100
                Floors [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0200
                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:19 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:57 +0100
                Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:39 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:07 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:31 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:07 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:54 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:47 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:49 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:28 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:26 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:10 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 01:09 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:29 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:03 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:24 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:58 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 01:02 +0000
                Non glamorous military things "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:25 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:05 +0000
              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:35 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-29 11:10 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:23 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:21 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:28 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:01 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 04:52 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:50 +0000
                Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-30 21:30 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 23:01 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 07:49 +0200
                Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 17:22 +0000
                Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 21:22 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 22:51 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-08-31 22:31 -0700
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-01 08:38 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:30 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:55 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:05 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:35 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:20 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:31 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:40 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:07 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:36 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:12 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:36 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:21 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:19 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:32 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:46 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:09 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:45 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:02 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:10 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:40 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:41 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:56 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:24 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:32 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:49 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:33 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:25 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:49 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:47 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:04 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:23 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:48 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:36 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:34 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:42 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 01:52 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:27 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:20 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:01 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:24 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:28 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:43 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:10 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:26 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:40 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:22 +0000
                House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:59 +0200
                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:04 +0000
                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:47 +0200
                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:10 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:41 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 23:53 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:21 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:24 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:30 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:47 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 05:13 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:23 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:41 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:01 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:01 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:13 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:10 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:05 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-09-01 09:06 -0700
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 17:56 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:03 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:17 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-02 13:09 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 13:39 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:51 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:48 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:40 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:47 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:08 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:33 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:52 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:30 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:41 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:02 +1000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:34 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 22:07 +1000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:13 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:28 -0400
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:11 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:34 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:06 +0200
                Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:00 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:30 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 15:35 +0100
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:08 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:34 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:32 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:19 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 12:15 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:21 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:20 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:19 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:20 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:45 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:49 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:08 +1000
            [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 10:20 +0100
              Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-27 22:22 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:08 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:26 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 06:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:24 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 08:48 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:35 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:36 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:05 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 19:03 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:33 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:22 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:32 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:18 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:02 +0100
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 12:54 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:43 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:58 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:19 +0200
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:49 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:17 +0200
                Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:55 +0200
                Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:25 +0100
                Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 16:30 +0200
  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 19:37 +0000
    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:29 +0000
      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 09:20 -0700
        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-26 04:23 +0000
          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:54 -0700
            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:40 +0100
              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:35 +0000
              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 12:59 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:53 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 14:03 -0700
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:14 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:09 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:46 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:57 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:11 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:35 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 01:16 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:38 +0200
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:19 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-08-28 10:06 -0400
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:02 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:55 +1000
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:31 +0100
                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:33 +0000

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