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GIMP 3.0.0-RC1

Started byChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
First post2024-12-26 08:41 -0500
Last post2025-01-03 11:32 +0100
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  GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-26 08:41 -0500
    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-26 17:13 +0000
      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 10:57 -0800
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-26 19:27 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 11:59 -0800
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-26 20:22 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 12:37 -0800
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-27 14:26 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-27 14:41 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2024-12-27 10:42 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-27 16:23 +0000
                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-28 07:25 -0500
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-28 15:12 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 14:51 -0600
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 11:14 -0500
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-29 17:57 +0000
                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 14:36 -0500
                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2024-12-29 16:00 -0500
                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:06 -0500
                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 04:28 +0000
                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-30 09:22 +0000
                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:40 -0500
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 23:01 +0100
                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 18:18 -0500
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:04 +0100
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 +0000
                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:08 +0100
                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 20:29 +0000
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:32 -0500
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-31 10:55 +0000
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:53 -0500
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:40 +0000
                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-31 10:54 +0000
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-31 06:04 -0600
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 09:39 -0500
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-31 17:24 +0000
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:56 +0000
                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-30 13:21 +0100
                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-30 13:16 +0100
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:39 +0000
                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-28 13:50 +0000
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-27 12:22 +0100
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-27 07:56 -0500
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 08:00 -0800
      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:52 -0500
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-27 09:25 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-27 10:08 +0000
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-27 06:34 -0600
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-28 00:10 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 08:22 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-28 11:04 -0600
                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-28 17:21 +0000
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 12:31 -0500
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 12:47 -0500
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-28 19:07 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2024-12-28 19:13 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 23:50 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-28 23:47 -0500
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-29 09:37 +0000
                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-29 12:44 +0100
                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:34 -0500
                              Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-29 22:02 +0000
                                Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs) Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:56 -0500
                                Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 04:00 +0000
                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-30 12:54 +0100
                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:16 -0500
                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-31 02:49 -0500
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-31 13:23 +0100
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:47 -0500
                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:40 +0000
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:41 -0500
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-29 11:47 +0000
                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:22 +0000
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lem Novantotto <Lem@none.invalid> - 2024-12-28 20:49 +0000
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-29 00:30 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 01:59 +0100
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 01:54 +0000
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-29 21:53 +0000
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 14:06 -0500
                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-12-29 08:15 +1000
                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-29 12:29 +0100
                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:31 -0500
                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-30 12:53 +0100
                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:15 -0500
                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-12-31 07:31 +1000
                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-31 12:40 +0100
                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:55 -0500
                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:40 +0000
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:40 +0000
                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:53 -0500
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:46 -0500
                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-01 12:49 +0100
                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:09 +0000
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:59 +0000
                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-01 23:16 +0100
                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 02:19 +0000
                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-02 12:30 +0100
                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 20:04 +0000
                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-03 01:50 +0000
                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 03:13 +0000
                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-03 12:32 +0100
                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:48 +0000
                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-04 01:13 +0100
                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 06:44 +0000
                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-03 06:58 -0500
                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-03 12:07 +0000
                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-03 08:32 -0500
                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:02 +0000
                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-03 11:31 -0500
                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-03 16:43 +0000
                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-03 13:37 -0500
                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-04 01:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-04 12:13 +0100
                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 06:16 -0500
                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-01-04 10:58 -0500
                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 15:48 -0500
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-04 23:19 +0000
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-04 23:43 -0500
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 13:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-05 12:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 20:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-05 09:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 22:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-04 23:54 -0500
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 13:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-01-05 10:17 -0500
                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 13:43 -0500
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-04 15:54 -0600
                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:11 -0600
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 13:01 +0100
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 22:54 +0000
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-01-05 10:36 -0500
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:22 -0500
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 20:57 +0100
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 08:49 -0500
                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-06 15:02 +0000
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-06 19:09 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-06 15:54 -0500
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:20 -0500
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 17:37 -0500
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-06 22:57 -0500
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 08:43 -0500
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 09:17 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 11:26 -0500
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 11:48 -0500
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 13:14 -0500
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 13:30 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 13:44 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 14:07 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:00 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 09:23 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-07 16:35 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 17:46 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-07 21:31 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-08 09:45 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-07 22:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Time machine backups Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-08 02:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Time machine backups vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-08 04:22 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Time machine backups Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-08 14:25 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Time machine backups D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:21 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Time machine backups The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 11:58 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Time machine backups Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-08 14:37 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Time machine backups Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Time machine backups Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-01-08 18:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Time machine backups Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-08 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Time machine backups vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-08 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Time machine backups D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Time machine backups "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Time machine backups The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Time machine backups D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Time machine backups The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Time machine backups D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Time machine backups The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:30 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-07 20:52 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 17:03 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:05 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-08 16:45 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 17:53 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 00:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 20:18 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 00:29 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 09:58 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-01-09 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 18:50 -0600
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 10:20 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 10:43 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 18:31 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 07:31 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 04:09 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 09:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 04:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-10 06:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 00:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 09:23 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 21:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-11 07:16 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 10:55 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 19:00 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:27 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:58 +0000
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                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-09 06:56 -0600
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 10:35 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 19:20 +0000
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-09 08:48 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-09 16:14 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 17:35 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 02:19 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 08:59 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-09 17:48 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-10 06:55 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-10 09:35 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 13:16 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-10 13:57 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-10 16:20 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-11 07:08 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-11 07:21 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 08:28 -0500
                                                                                                                          What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v (was: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-12 06:45 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v (was: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-12 07:43 -0600
                                                                                                                              TL;DR: cry harder! (was: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v) -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-12 14:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: TL;DR: idiot and liar claims "victory"! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-12 22:50 -0600
                                                                                                    Climate change mitigations Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-08 02:37 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-07 16:10 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 16:31 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-07 17:06 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:06 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 11:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 08:59 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 15:37 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 11:27 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 17:04 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 13:05 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 23:50 +0000
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                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:16 +0000
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                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 13:25 -0500
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                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:51 +0000
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                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 23:02 -0500
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                                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:38 +0000
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                                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:55 -0500
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                                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:28 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 01:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Races, Tribes and other ethnicities Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-15 02:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-15 06:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 00:49 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                        Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 10:53 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 18:28 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:21 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 01:19 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 22:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 10:46 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 10:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 23:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Races, Tribes and other ethnicities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 06:20 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 10:59 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:26 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 10:45 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 22:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Tribes and Ethnicities Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-16 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Tribes and Ethnicities Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-16 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Tribes and Ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:50 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:41 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-18 19:39 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-19 18:11 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-16 08:08 -0500
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                                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-13 05:14 +0000
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                                                                                                                                          Biker Gangs Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-14 17:43 +0000
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                                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-14 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 01:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 00:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 06:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 01:51 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 23:39 -0500
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                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:13 +0000
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                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 13:55 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 14:00 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:25 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Beavis <beavis@corn.holio> - 2025-01-09 04:16 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 10:34 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 11:27 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 11:34 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 11:51 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 02:23 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-09 11:31 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 11:47 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 12:12 -0500
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                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-08 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 12:04 -0500
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                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:16 +0000
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                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-06 18:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-08 06:41 +0000
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 02:36 -0500
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 13:21 +0000
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                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-08 18:17 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:28 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 13:41 -0600
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:38 +0000
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:23 -0600
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:07 -0500
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                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-09 20:46 -0500
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 07:33 +0000
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                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-10 23:14 +0000
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                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 20:03 -0500
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Business cultures Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-11 20:32 +0000
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                                                                                                                Re: Business cultures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 22:15 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Business cultures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 22:11 +0000
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                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 22:27 +0000
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                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:46 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-09 12:28 -0500
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 18:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:50 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 13:55 -0600
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                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:40 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 20:16 +0000
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                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:36 -0500
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 07:54 +0000
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-09 03:18 -0500
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                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-09 22:32 -0500
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-09 11:32 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-09 21:54 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 09:30 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-11 07:44 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 07:53 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:10 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 23:29 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 08:17 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 20:47 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 13:21 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-13 21:40 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 17:09 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 14:54 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 04:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 23:41 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 11:21 +0000
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                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:20 +0000
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                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 21:48 -0500
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                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-19 20:10 +0000
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                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-13 08:03 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 18:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-15 07:34 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 21:35 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:38 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 22:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 04:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-16 01:23 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-13 07:34 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:10 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-15 07:31 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-11 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-11 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 22:20 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:57 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 02:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 23:06 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:38 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-09 14:23 -0600
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:45 +0000
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                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 07:57 +0000
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                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 01:45 +0000
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Traveling and Travel Planning Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-11 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Traveling and Travel Planning rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 22:40 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:55 +0000
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                                                                                                          Travel Planning (was: Tasks where AI might be helpful) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-11 19:59 +0000
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                                                                                                                  Re: Travel Planning (was: Tasks where AI might be helpful) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:35 -0600
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 07:48 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 20:19 +0000
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                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 03:42 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 00:53 -0500
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 07:55 -0800
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                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:45 +0000
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                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 23:42 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:42 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:37 -0600
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:30 -0600
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 07:54 +0000
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                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-11 21:24 +0000
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                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 16:00 -0600
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                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:41 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:42 -0500
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                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:47 +0000
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                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:40 -0500
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                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:49 +0000
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                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 23:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 16:03 -0600
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:27 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:53 +0000
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                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 14:23 -0700
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 19:11 -0500
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:04 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 18:31 -0500
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 15:55 -0800
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 01:59 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 00:23 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 06:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 02:04 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:43 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 02:49 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 12:25 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 10:16 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-12 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:35 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 11:22 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:08 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:56 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:22 +0000
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 17:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:44 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:51 +0000
                                                                                  (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-08 18:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:23 -0500
                                                                                        Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:45 +0100
                                                                                          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:49 +0000
                                                                                            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:21 -0600
                                                                                            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 22:43 +0000
                                                                                          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:56 +0000
                                                                                            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:50 +0100
                                                                                              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 07:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 08:35 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:20 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:02 +0000
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                                                                                                  Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 18:58 +0000
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                                                                                        Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-09 11:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:49 -0500
                                                                                    Re: (Excessive?) Complexity vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:34 +0000
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                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 19:06 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 19:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 01:25 +0000
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                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:22 +0000
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 09:02 -0500
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 15:34 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 11:32 -0500
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:14 +0000
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 15:00 -0500
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 20:19 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 00:16 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 10:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 00:00 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 11:16 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:30 +0000
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                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:28 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 00:50 -0500
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                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-09 17:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:46 +0000
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                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:27 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:51 +0000
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                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:26 +0000
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                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 12:02 +0000
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:48 +0000
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                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-14 00:48 +0000
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                                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 04:15 -0500
                                                                                              The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:15 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:47 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 14:17 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 21:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 00:04 -0500
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 11:18 -0500
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 15:38 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 07:27 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 03:34 -0500
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 09:09 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 01:15 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:15 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-10 07:12 -0500
                                                                                              Diversity - good or bad ? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-10 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 22:45 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-11 01:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-11 05:23 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 00:48 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 07:02 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 09:00 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 19:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:19 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:02 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 06:51 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:09 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:46 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 00:43 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:49 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-01-12 14:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:00 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:52 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-12 17:09 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:42 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:51 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:32 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-14 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-14 04:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 04:18 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:55 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-14 12:28 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 22:00 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-14 23:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:07 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 00:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-16 11:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 14:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 01:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 11:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 23:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 16:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 20:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 19:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-18 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 11:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 01:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-18 14:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 15:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 18:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-18 19:36 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-12 18:53 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:06 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-13 16:17 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:23 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:40 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:08 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 00:31 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-12 17:06 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-12 18:53 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:16 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:51 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:48 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-13 16:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:24 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2025-01-12 21:47 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 02:41 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-13 03:00 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:56 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:29 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:24 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:23 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:44 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:10 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:53 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:03 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:56 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:13 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 09:21 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 14:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:44 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:03 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:20 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 04:32 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 12:03 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:42 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:38 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:04 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:21 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:23 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 23:00 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 06:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:54 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:44 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 22:15 +0000
                                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:06 +0000
                                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-11 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:33 +0000
                                                                                                      The Joys of Motorola Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The Joys of Motorola rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 00:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The Joys of Motorola "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 03:56 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: The Joys of Motorola rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:46 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 23:08 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 07:05 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:23 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 00:21 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:17 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 03:23 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-01-14 03:42 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-14 03:59 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:29 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 22:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 18:01 -0500
                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-04 15:51 -0600
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 00:46 +0000
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-04 23:31 -0500
                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 13:03 +0100
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                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-05 16:45 +0000
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-05 17:31 +0000
                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 20:59 +0100
                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-05 23:47 +0000
                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-06 02:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-06 11:50 +0100
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-06 12:12 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-07 11:41 +0100
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:57 +0000
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 10:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 12:07 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:49 +0100
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 19:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-06 11:49 +0100
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-06 18:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-06 20:38 -0500
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-07 04:58 +0000
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-08 00:29 -0500
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 10:50 +0100
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 12:06 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 12:49 +0100
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-07 11:46 +0100
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:11 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-07 19:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-07 23:14 -0500
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 11:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 17:27 +0000
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:59 +0100
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 11:03 +0100
                                                                              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-06 20:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-06 22:23 -0500
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 07:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 18:49 +0000
                                                                                      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-07 19:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 16:36 -0500
                                                                                          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 01:07 +0000
                                                                                            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-07 22:29 -0500
                                                                                        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 00:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-07 18:27 +0000
                                                                                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:22 +0000
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#65456

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-02-12 18:50 +0000
Message-ID<m148qvFee9pU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#65453
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:25:17 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>    I think the 86 series had 'more future possibilities'
>    than the 8085. There were too many 8-bit systems out there already,
>    so bumping up to 16 bit was smart for sales. Why make/compete-with
>    "just another TRS-80" ?

16/32 bit processors were in the air so it would make no sense to stay 
with 8 bits. 

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-inside-story-of-texas-instruments-biggest-
blunder-the-tms9900-microprocessor

That covers the ground from a slightly different perspective, a TI 
engineer. It's interesting to speculate on IBM's view of future 
possibilities. A large part of the company didn't think there was a 
future. Intel thought the 432 was the future but that fell on its face. 
Using the 8088 solved the peripherals problem but it also meant the 
performance wasn't better than a Z80. Z80 designs were already doing bank 
switching. The 8088 just had the additional registers to implement it.

The TMS9900 wasn't a bad chip, if a little odd if you came from the Intel/
Zilog world. I worked with it on one project. Because of TI's roots they 
had a rad hard version 

https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/the-texas-instruments-tms-9900-
microprocessor/1370

That's a good description of the oddities. 

The first article points out the IBM was big-endian and suddenly thy were 
transported into the little-endian world. Our legacy software uses ONC-RPC 
which handle the byte order. Originally the system ran on RS6000 machines 
where the reshuffling was a NOOP. As we started using Linux in house for 
development, the x86 machines had to reverse the canonical big-endian 
data. No problem. Then our clients moved to Windows while we still used 
Linux leading to the absurdity of dual processing to move little-endian to 
big-endian and back to little-endian. 

All that is hidden in the RPC code but it becomes explicit when you find 
yourself using htonl, ntohl, and friends when building a socket 
connection.

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#65466

From"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-02-12 16:24 -0500
Message-ID<aM-cnUGqaKoIjDD6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#65456
On 2/12/25 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:25:17 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>>     I think the 86 series had 'more future possibilities'
>>     than the 8085. There were too many 8-bit systems out there already,
>>     so bumping up to 16 bit was smart for sales. Why make/compete-with
>>     "just another TRS-80" ?
> 
> 16/32 bit processors were in the air so it would make no sense to stay
> with 8 bits.
> 
> https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-inside-story-of-texas-instruments-biggest-
> blunder-the-tms9900-microprocessor
> 
> That covers the ground from a slightly different perspective, a TI
> engineer. It's interesting to speculate on IBM's view of future
> possibilities. A large part of the company didn't think there was a
> future. Intel thought the 432 was the future but that fell on its face.
> Using the 8088 solved the peripherals problem but it also meant the
> performance wasn't better than a Z80. Z80 designs were already doing bank
> switching. The 8088 just had the additional registers to implement it.
> 
> The TMS9900 wasn't a bad chip, if a little odd if you came from the Intel/
> Zilog world. I worked with it on one project. Because of TI's roots they
> had a rad hard version
> 
> https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/the-texas-instruments-tms-9900-
> microprocessor/1370
> 
> That's a good description of the oddities.

   I did a little ASM for the 9900. It *was* a bit 'odd'
   however. Register-sets-in-RAM was unique, but it
   facilitated multi-user. Everybody remembers the PC,
   but the real intended use of the chip was in the 990
   mini-computer, where multi-user/tasking was a must.
   Actual hardware support for that, weird.

   Branch and Load Workspace Pointer .......

   Anyway, TI flubbed it and another early 16-bitter
   went down the toilet.

   There were a LOT of 'concept chips' back around the
   same time when 16+ bits was becoming real. Everyone
   was sure they had the Better Idea. Now, you might
   maybe find one in a surplus parts bin. (had a dream
   once about finding a TMS9900 - white with gold pins -
   in a surplus bin)

> The first article points out the IBM was big-endian and suddenly thy were
> transported into the little-endian world. Our legacy software uses ONC-RPC
> which handle the byte order. Originally the system ran on RS6000 machines
> where the reshuffling was a NOOP. As we started using Linux in house for
> development, the x86 machines had to reverse the canonical big-endian
> data. No problem. Then our clients moved to Windows while we still used
> Linux leading to the absurdity of dual processing to move little-endian to
> big-endian and back to little-endian.
> 
> All that is hidden in the RPC code but it becomes explicit when you find
> yourself using htonl, ntohl, and friends when building a socket
> connection.

   There were some dual-chip jobbbies, bet-hedging.
   One TRS-80 could be had with a 68k board that
   ran CP/M-68k and as I recall the C128 had both
   a 65xx upgrade plus a Z80 that'd run CP/M.

   Dealing with big/small-endian ... that could get
   a bit confusing jumping back and forth between
   platforms. Made some boards with both a Rabbit
   and PIC on them and would find myself typing PIC
   instructions into the bunny and vice-versa sometimes :-)

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#65483

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-02-13 07:35 +0000
Message-ID<m15lm5Flg2rU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#65466
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:24:40 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>    There were some dual-chip jobbbies, bet-hedging.
>    One TRS-80 could be had with a 68k board that ran CP/M-68k and as I
>    recall the C128 had both a 65xx upgrade plus a Z80 that'd run CP/M.

Remember the SoftCard?  iirc in its native state the Apple II keyboard 
lacked something essential for C programming. Curly braces? 

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#65487

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-02-13 11:22 +0000
Message-ID<vokkls$2sj30$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#65483
On 13/02/2025 07:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:24:40 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>>     There were some dual-chip jobbbies, bet-hedging.
>>     One TRS-80 could be had with a 68k board that ran CP/M-68k and as I
>>     recall the C128 had both a 65xx upgrade plus a Z80 that'd run CP/M.
> 
> Remember the SoftCard?  iirc in its native state the Apple II keyboard
> lacked something essential for C programming. Curly braces?

Amongst other things, yes.
It was alarmingly limited

-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#65451

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-02-12 09:08 -0500
Message-ID<DX1rP.674443$iNI.499904@fx14.iad>
In reply to#65439
On 2025-02-11 9:49 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:43:33 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>>     DOS turned out to be easier to deal with, so it won.
>>     Bill Gates also won because his lawyers sneaked-in a small-print item
>>     requiring IBM to always include his latest system along with their
>>     PCs - and the IBM lawyers MISSED it.
> 
> There were a few other things going on like a suit against IBM by Digital
> Research. DR won so IBM had to offer CP/M-86 but it was priced much higher
> than DOS.
> 
> CP/M-68K would have been interesting but there weren't too many platforms.
> Lisa was a flop and the original Mac wasn't that great. Other than high
> end systems that left Atari and Commodore, both of which had sort of a
> non-serious reputation.

Lisa was a flop because it didn't make any kind of sense to ask people 
to spend as much on a computer than they would on a car. It was a very 
capable machine, and it was nice to discover that the Lisa went on to be 
refurbished as popular Macs in certain areas of the United States, but 
you can't ask people to spend as much as they were asking. As for the 
Mac 128K, I admit that if I were buying a computer in 1984, I would have 
wanted one. Of course, I would probably very quickly buy a hard disk and 
a RAM upgrade for it. If I were buying in 1985 though, I'm certain that 
I would have opted for either an Atari or an Amiga though... probably 
the Amiga if I had witnessed their impressive tech demo. It wouldn't 
have mattered to me, as a teacher, if it didn't have a serious 
reputation or not.

< snip >

-- 
CrudeSausage/
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Telegram: @CrudeSausage
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#65457

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-02-12 18:58 +0000
Message-ID<m149b6Fee9pU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#65451
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:08:35 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Lisa was a flop because it didn't make any kind of sense to ask people
> to spend as much on a computer than they would on a car. It was a very
> capable machine, and it was nice to discover that the Lisa went on to be
> refurbished as popular Macs in certain areas of the United States, but
> you can't ask people to spend as much as they were asking. As for the
> Mac 128K, I admit that if I were buying a computer in 1984, I would have
> wanted one. Of course, I would probably very quickly buy a hard disk and
> a RAM upgrade for it. If I were buying in 1985 though, I'm certain that
> I would have opted for either an Atari or an Amiga though... probably
> the Amiga if I had witnessed their impressive tech demo. It wouldn't
> have mattered to me, as a teacher, if it didn't have a serious
> reputation or not.

The original Mac toasters had one unique feature -- they met the TEMPEST 
requirements of the day. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)

PCs leaked like a sieve. Most still do. Back in the toaster's day 
cybersecurity was worrying about Boris and Natasha squatting out in the 
bushes with their radio gear. 

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#65469

From"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-02-12 16:56 -0500
Message-ID<r2ydnQZz4eBqhTD6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#65457
On 2/12/25 1:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:08:35 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
> 
>> Lisa was a flop because it didn't make any kind of sense to ask people
>> to spend as much on a computer than they would on a car. It was a very
>> capable machine, and it was nice to discover that the Lisa went on to be
>> refurbished as popular Macs in certain areas of the United States, but
>> you can't ask people to spend as much as they were asking. As for the
>> Mac 128K, I admit that if I were buying a computer in 1984, I would have
>> wanted one. Of course, I would probably very quickly buy a hard disk and
>> a RAM upgrade for it. If I were buying in 1985 though, I'm certain that
>> I would have opted for either an Atari or an Amiga though... probably
>> the Amiga if I had witnessed their impressive tech demo. It wouldn't
>> have mattered to me, as a teacher, if it didn't have a serious
>> reputation or not.
> 
> The original Mac toasters had one unique feature -- they met the TEMPEST
> requirements of the day.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)
> 
> PCs leaked like a sieve. Most still do. Back in the toaster's day
> cybersecurity was worrying about Boris and Natasha squatting out in the
> bushes with their radio gear.


   Well - they DID sometimes !

   Worth looking into, it's amazing how much can be
   gleaned from random signals not only from cpus
   but from keyboards and mice and printers. Even
   delays in hitting keystrokes can be mapped against
   the querty layout and, with enough, samples ....

   Far more efficient these days to just phish a VP
   and they'll send you both passwords AND all the
   data files (then blame it on the secretary).

   Hmmm ... was reading a security article a few
   years ago and the author provided an example
   link to one of those companies that monitor
   *everything*. It was a LIVE login though, and
   backtracking a few steps I could see the latest
   stuff - including an HP office printer in
   the UK. Was able to access it, see the last
   few docs in the reprint buffer and, for fun,
   made it print a test page. THAT'S insecurity.



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#65482

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-02-13 07:22 +0000
Message-ID<m15kt9Flg2rU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#65469
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:56:06 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 2/12/25 1:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:08:35 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> Lisa was a flop because it didn't make any kind of sense to ask people
>>> to spend as much on a computer than they would on a car. It was a very
>>> capable machine, and it was nice to discover that the Lisa went on to
>>> be refurbished as popular Macs in certain areas of the United States,
>>> but you can't ask people to spend as much as they were asking. As for
>>> the Mac 128K, I admit that if I were buying a computer in 1984, I
>>> would have wanted one. Of course, I would probably very quickly buy a
>>> hard disk and a RAM upgrade for it. If I were buying in 1985 though,
>>> I'm certain that I would have opted for either an Atari or an Amiga
>>> though... probably the Amiga if I had witnessed their impressive tech
>>> demo. It wouldn't have mattered to me, as a teacher, if it didn't have
>>> a serious reputation or not.
>> 
>> The original Mac toasters had one unique feature -- they met the
>> TEMPEST requirements of the day.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)
>> 
>> PCs leaked like a sieve. Most still do. Back in the toaster's day
>> cybersecurity was worrying about Boris and Natasha squatting out in the
>> bushes with their radio gear.
> 
> 
>    Well - they DID sometimes !


That was the ironic part. During the same period when we worried about 
Russkies in the bushes, spies sorting through the dumpsters, and were 
paranoid enough to remove all printer ribbons when an IBM CE was coming, 
they discovered Walker and his band of merry men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker

DISCO (Defense Industrial Security Clearance Office, not the lousy music) 
soiled themselves and immediately stopped issuing security clearances. 


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#65462

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvqq03h.38buj.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#65377
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 23:31 this Monday (GMT):
> On 2/10/25 1:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
>> [snip]
>>> My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system
>>> that held a lot of pension money.
>>>
>>> It was written in bash. =D
>>>
>>> Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that IBM
>>> hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in python.
>> [snip]
>> 
>> 
>> Did you use something like tkinter?
>
>    TKinter works. Not ultra-elegant but functional.
>
>    I've used it for several projects with pop-up
>    windows and touch-screens and such. Did find that
>    you get less grief if you don't CLOSE those windows
>    but just send 'em off to negative screen coords.
>    Then on signal from a touch-screen or timer or
>    whatever you just drag 'em back into view and
>    make whatever updates.
>
>    TK is also pretty well documented since it's been
>    around for awhile. Actually none of the graphics
>    toolkits are particularly 'elegant' or great joys
>    to use so go with what seems easiest for the job.
>
>    Mostly if I need something with a quickie GUI then
>    I use Lazarus/FPC when possible. The WYSIWYG form
>    builder with a zillion possible options is WAY nicer
>    than the line-at-a-time TK approach plus Pascal looks
>    much nicer than Python or 'C'.


I would still probably use TK for a really quick GUI, but I prefer
terminal ui's nowadays.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#65475

From"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-02-12 17:16 -0500
Message-ID<JNacnbpvEIJegDD6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#65462
On 2/12/25 3:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 23:31 this Monday (GMT):
>> On 2/10/25 1:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
>>> [snip]
>>>> My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system
>>>> that held a lot of pension money.
>>>>
>>>> It was written in bash. =D
>>>>
>>>> Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that IBM
>>>> hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in python.
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you use something like tkinter?
>>
>>     TKinter works. Not ultra-elegant but functional.
>>
>>     I've used it for several projects with pop-up
>>     windows and touch-screens and such. Did find that
>>     you get less grief if you don't CLOSE those windows
>>     but just send 'em off to negative screen coords.
>>     Then on signal from a touch-screen or timer or
>>     whatever you just drag 'em back into view and
>>     make whatever updates.
>>
>>     TK is also pretty well documented since it's been
>>     around for awhile. Actually none of the graphics
>>     toolkits are particularly 'elegant' or great joys
>>     to use so go with what seems easiest for the job.
>>
>>     Mostly if I need something with a quickie GUI then
>>     I use Lazarus/FPC when possible. The WYSIWYG form
>>     builder with a zillion possible options is WAY nicer
>>     than the line-at-a-time TK approach plus Pascal looks
>>     much nicer than Python or 'C'.
> 
> 
> I would still probably use TK for a really quick GUI, but I prefer
> terminal ui's nowadays.

   You can do good stuff with TUIs these days, no question.
   However if your app is graphics-heavy or very mousey/
   touchscreeny then TK or friends are likely better.

   One size doesn't fit all.

   Lazarus lets you whip up a GUI fast, and there are
   a zillion settings/hooks for each screen element you
   can tweak as needed. Pascal is not as popular as it
   once was, but it's a good and very complete lang and,
   IMHO, worth being familiar with.

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#65505

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2025-02-14 05:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvqtjd5.2up9n.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#65475
WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 22:16 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 2/12/25 3:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote at 23:31 this Monday (GMT):
>>> On 2/10/25 1:40 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:19 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system
>>>>> that held a lot of pension money.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was written in bash. =D
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that IBM
>>>>> hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in python.
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you use something like tkinter?
>>>
>>>     TKinter works. Not ultra-elegant but functional.
>>>
>>>     I've used it for several projects with pop-up
>>>     windows and touch-screens and such. Did find that
>>>     you get less grief if you don't CLOSE those windows
>>>     but just send 'em off to negative screen coords.
>>>     Then on signal from a touch-screen or timer or
>>>     whatever you just drag 'em back into view and
>>>     make whatever updates.
>>>
>>>     TK is also pretty well documented since it's been
>>>     around for awhile. Actually none of the graphics
>>>     toolkits are particularly 'elegant' or great joys
>>>     to use so go with what seems easiest for the job.
>>>
>>>     Mostly if I need something with a quickie GUI then
>>>     I use Lazarus/FPC when possible. The WYSIWYG form
>>>     builder with a zillion possible options is WAY nicer
>>>     than the line-at-a-time TK approach plus Pascal looks
>>>     much nicer than Python or 'C'.
>> 
>> 
>> I would still probably use TK for a really quick GUI, but I prefer
>> terminal ui's nowadays.
>
>    You can do good stuff with TUIs these days, no question.
>    However if your app is graphics-heavy or very mousey/
>    touchscreeny then TK or friends are likely better.
>
>    One size doesn't fit all.
>
>    Lazarus lets you whip up a GUI fast, and there are
>    a zillion settings/hooks for each screen element you
>    can tweak as needed. Pascal is not as popular as it
>    once was, but it's a good and very complete lang and,
>    IMHO, worth being familiar with.


Fair enough, I just don't usually make stuff that NEEDS a good GUI very
often. I'll keep Lazarus in mind, though.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#65287

From"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-02-08 22:44 -0500
Message-ID<eBOdnWTTnqoxuTX6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#65274
On 2/8/25 2:27 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/02/2025 17:59, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2025 07:36, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>>>    people looking for something to do. Their
>>>>    idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>>>    screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>>>    or even professional, user.
>>>
>>> In my careers - I have had several - us Engineers were humble 
>>> creatures who wrote clean workmanlike well documented and tested code 
>>> in the hope that no one would ever have to write it again, and if 
>>> they did, it would be instantly understandable. Code was. to quote my 
>>> friend 'Higgy',  'all just bits, in silicon'.
>>>
>>> Later I encountered computer scientists who spoke a strange language 
>>> with artistic terms in it like 'elegance' 'intellectual purity' 
>>> 'algorithmic efficiency'  'Turing complete' 'object oriented' and 
>>> other words that seemed to have nothing whatever to do with actually 
>>> writing testing and debugging clean code that met the spec and worked 
>>> in a timescale less than eternity...
>>>
>>> I decided they were all frustrated ArtStudents™ with Physics envy who 
>>> could not  do HardSums™
>>
>> Haha, brilliant!
>>
>>> And should never be let anywhere near a critical project.
>>
>> I am fascinated by the fact that when it comes to programming, there 
>> can be an enormous disconnect between academic programmers, and a guy 
>> in his room who just pounded out the code and got the work done.
>>
>> I'm not saying he did it in the most "elegant" way or the best 
>> documented way, but I do claim that in many instances, the guy without 
>> the official training is able to do it.
>>
>> Reminds me of when I went to university. I often had to help the A 
>> students with their practical assignments, and I got it done. On the 
>> theory part however, they were always the A students.
> 
> There is computer science, and there is software engineering.
> Textbooks on software engineering are worth reading

   "Computer science" can be interesting - although
   not very accessible to those with sub-Turing IQ.

   But "software engineering" is really Where It's At.


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#65320

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-02-09 20:51 +0000
Message-ID<vob4hd$q903$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#65287
On 09/02/2025 03:44, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 2/8/25 2:27 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/02/2025 17:59, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2025 07:36, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>> IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>>>>    people looking for something to do. Their
>>>>>    idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>>>>    screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>>>>    or even professional, user.
>>>>
>>>> In my careers - I have had several - us Engineers were humble 
>>>> creatures who wrote clean workmanlike well documented and tested 
>>>> code in the hope that no one would ever have to write it again, and 
>>>> if they did, it would be instantly understandable. Code was. to 
>>>> quote my friend 'Higgy',  'all just bits, in silicon'.
>>>>
>>>> Later I encountered computer scientists who spoke a strange language 
>>>> with artistic terms in it like 'elegance' 'intellectual purity' 
>>>> 'algorithmic efficiency'  'Turing complete' 'object oriented' and 
>>>> other words that seemed to have nothing whatever to do with actually 
>>>> writing testing and debugging clean code that met the spec and 
>>>> worked in a timescale less than eternity...
>>>>
>>>> I decided they were all frustrated ArtStudents™ with Physics envy 
>>>> who could not  do HardSums™
>>>
>>> Haha, brilliant!
>>>
>>>> And should never be let anywhere near a critical project.
>>>
>>> I am fascinated by the fact that when it comes to programming, there 
>>> can be an enormous disconnect between academic programmers, and a guy 
>>> in his room who just pounded out the code and got the work done.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying he did it in the most "elegant" way or the best 
>>> documented way, but I do claim that in many instances, the guy 
>>> without the official training is able to do it.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of when I went to university. I often had to help the A 
>>> students with their practical assignments, and I got it done. On the 
>>> theory part however, they were always the A students.
>>
>> There is computer science, and there is software engineering.
>> Textbooks on software engineering are worth reading
> 
>    "Computer science" can be interesting - although
>    not very accessible to those with sub-Turing IQ.
> 
>    But "software engineering" is really Where It's At.
> 
> 
> 
It depends. Academics are interested in  theory. Practical people learn 
just enough to get the job done that they want to do.
"An engineer is someone who can do for five bob what any damned fool can 
do for a quid"
(and an American for $300...:-))
-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#65273 — (Excessive?) Complexity

FromLars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Date2025-02-08 18:57 +0000
Subject(Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<slrnvqfa8s.27rvm.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#65268
On 2025-02-08, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>    Anyway, of late, software "improvements" have
>    too often been the exact opposite. What alien
>    universe do these 'improvers' COME from ???
>
>    IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>    people looking for something to do. Their
>    idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>    screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>    or even professional, user.
>
>    Maybe we need a new branch ... Linux-2004 ...
>    with all the good stuff and none of these
>    "improvements" ??? Linux and related was
>    damned good from the start, SOLID by 2004.
>
>    It worked. It was kinda simple. You COULD
>    figure it out without committing suicide.
>    NOW, it just seems to be becoming an
>    incomprehensible ever-mutating MESS - Winders
>    by another name.

Much of the complexity that you do not approve of, seems to me to be
related to Linux's ambition to produce code that works on everything
from an embedded IoT device to a high-performance laptop to a clustered
datacenter rack from a single set of source files.

Back "in the Golden Age", the spectrum of systems that the code was
expected to support was much narrower; that would tend to make the code
much simpler and more readable.

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#65276 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-02-08 19:31 +0000
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<vo8bem$69pr$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#65273
On 08/02/2025 18:57, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-02-08, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>     Anyway, of late, software "improvements" have
>>     too often been the exact opposite. What alien
>>     universe do these 'improvers' COME from ???
>>
>>     IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>     people looking for something to do. Their
>>     idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>     screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>     or even professional, user.
>>
>>     Maybe we need a new branch ... Linux-2004 ...
>>     with all the good stuff and none of these
>>     "improvements" ??? Linux and related was
>>     damned good from the start, SOLID by 2004.
>>
>>     It worked. It was kinda simple. You COULD
>>     figure it out without committing suicide.
>>     NOW, it just seems to be becoming an
>>     incomprehensible ever-mutating MESS - Winders
>>     by another name.
> 
> Much of the complexity that you do not approve of, seems to me to be
> related to Linux's ambition to produce code that works on everything
> from an embedded IoT device to a high-performance laptop to a clustered
> datacenter rack from a single set of source files.
> 
> Back "in the Golden Age", the spectrum of systems that the code was
> expected to support was much narrower; that would tend to make the code
> much simpler and more readable.

Nah. Its the stupidity not of using an oriented *approach* to design 
code, but of putting it into the frickin language and making everyone 
use it.
-- 
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the 
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

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#65290 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

From"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-02-08 23:23 -0500
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<eSadna_s0t5TsDX6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#65276
On 2/8/25 2:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/02/2025 18:57, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 2025-02-08, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>     Anyway, of late, software "improvements" have
>>>     too often been the exact opposite. What alien
>>>     universe do these 'improvers' COME from ???
>>>
>>>     IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>>     people looking for something to do. Their
>>>     idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>>     screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>>     or even professional, user.
>>>
>>>     Maybe we need a new branch ... Linux-2004 ...
>>>     with all the good stuff and none of these
>>>     "improvements" ??? Linux and related was
>>>     damned good from the start, SOLID by 2004.
>>>
>>>     It worked. It was kinda simple. You COULD
>>>     figure it out without committing suicide.
>>>     NOW, it just seems to be becoming an
>>>     incomprehensible ever-mutating MESS - Winders
>>>     by another name.
>>
>> Much of the complexity that you do not approve of, seems to me to be
>> related to Linux's ambition to produce code that works on everything
>> from an embedded IoT device to a high-performance laptop to a clustered
>> datacenter rack from a single set of source files.
>>
>> Back "in the Golden Age", the spectrum of systems that the code was
>> expected to support was much narrower; that would tend to make the code
>> much simpler and more readable.
> 
> Nah. Its the stupidity not of using an oriented *approach* to design 
> code, but of putting it into the frickin language and making everyone 
> use it.

   Well, I kind-of understand his issue. The problem these
   days is SO-MANY-PLATFORMS. Developers, and esp their
   pointy-haired bosses, want a one-fits-all application.
   Alas this results in INSANE, un-debuggable, complexity.

   Aiming for more narrow platforms is probably the better
   way. The 90% required/functional code can be preserved,
   but all the crap required to suit *a* platform can be
   largely unique. Seems less-efficient, but is more solid.

   But who cares about 'solid' these days ? Make something
   arty and flashy, get the users cash - then ignore all
   their complaints. It's a Business Model .....

   Remember the "bad old days" when we had Atari, Apple,
   Commodore, Tandy, TRS-80, ROM systems, CP/M, DOS ?
   It was just not feasible to write an "everything"
   application. A lot had to be customized to the
   particular platform. This made for a number of
   smaller, tuned, applications which WERE debuggable
   and comprehensible. Today really isn't SO different,
   but tends to be disguised - resulting in bloatware.

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#65299 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-02-09 11:45 +0100
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<9bdfe478-279e-464c-62b6-dc3b1f5da4ab@example.net>
In reply to#65290

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 2/8/25 2:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/02/2025 18:57, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-08, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>     Anyway, of late, software "improvements" have
>>>>     too often been the exact opposite. What alien
>>>>     universe do these 'improvers' COME from ???
>>>> 
>>>>     IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>>>     people looking for something to do. Their
>>>>     idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>>>     screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>>>     or even professional, user.
>>>> 
>>>>     Maybe we need a new branch ... Linux-2004 ...
>>>>     with all the good stuff and none of these
>>>>     "improvements" ??? Linux and related was
>>>>     damned good from the start, SOLID by 2004.
>>>> 
>>>>     It worked. It was kinda simple. You COULD
>>>>     figure it out without committing suicide.
>>>>     NOW, it just seems to be becoming an
>>>>     incomprehensible ever-mutating MESS - Winders
>>>>     by another name.
>>> 
>>> Much of the complexity that you do not approve of, seems to me to be
>>> related to Linux's ambition to produce code that works on everything
>>> from an embedded IoT device to a high-performance laptop to a clustered
>>> datacenter rack from a single set of source files.
>>> 
>>> Back "in the Golden Age", the spectrum of systems that the code was
>>> expected to support was much narrower; that would tend to make the code
>>> much simpler and more readable.
>> 
>> Nah. Its the stupidity not of using an oriented *approach* to design code, 
>> but of putting it into the frickin language and making everyone use it.
>
>  Well, I kind-of understand his issue. The problem these
>  days is SO-MANY-PLATFORMS. Developers, and esp their
>  pointy-haired bosses, want a one-fits-all application.
>  Alas this results in INSANE, un-debuggable, complexity.
>
>  Aiming for more narrow platforms is probably the better
>  way. The 90% required/functional code can be preserved,
>  but all the crap required to suit *a* platform can be
>  largely unique. Seems less-efficient, but is more solid.
>
>  But who cares about 'solid' these days ? Make something
>  arty and flashy, get the users cash - then ignore all
>  their complaints. It's a Business Model .....

This is the truth! One of the wins we had when replacing a customers Azure 
was the realization that they had no need for fancy fail-over, 
active/active solution or even a DR-site, given the workload they are 
running.

That meant we could design our environment to be dead simple and avoid a 
lot of complexity and keep the cost low.

And here the customer had paid for many years for lots of "extras" from M$ 
and once had a crypto miner visiting, racking up a bill of 50k EUR over an 
weekend.

Simple is good! I struggle often to explain to young whipper snappers the 
power of good enough. The power of good enough has won me a lot of 
business throughout the years.

>  Remember the "bad old days" when we had Atari, Apple,
>  Commodore, Tandy, TRS-80, ROM systems, CP/M, DOS ?
>  It was just not feasible to write an "everything"
>  application. A lot had to be customized to the
>  particular platform. This made for a number of
>  smaller, tuned, applications which WERE debuggable
>  and comprehensible. Today really isn't SO different,
>  but tends to be disguised - resulting in bloatware.
>

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#65311 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-02-09 19:49 +0000
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<m0sf5nF734tU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#65299
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:45:42 +0100, D wrote:

> Simple is good! I struggle often to explain to young whipper snappers
> the power of good enough. The power of good enough has won me a lot of
> business throughout the years.

I've worked with a couple of programmers who tried to anticipate future 
needs and developed complex code to handle those eventualities. 20 years 
later the eventualities never happened but the complexity is still there.

It's one thing to anticipate future needs in your design and not to paint 
yourself into a corner and another to spend a lot of time doing stuff 
before it's necessary. Good enough is good enough.

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#65323 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-02-09 22:39 +0100
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<a1cb4c31-08fc-de23-44db-aa0115490e75@example.net>
In reply to#65311

On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:45:42 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Simple is good! I struggle often to explain to young whipper snappers
>> the power of good enough. The power of good enough has won me a lot of
>> business throughout the years.
>
> I've worked with a couple of programmers who tried to anticipate future
> needs and developed complex code to handle those eventualities. 20 years
> later the eventualities never happened but the complexity is still there.
>
> It's one thing to anticipate future needs in your design and not to paint
> yourself into a corner and another to spend a lot of time doing stuff
> before it's necessary. Good enough is good enough.
>

This is the truth!

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#65404 — Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-02-11 13:21 -0600
SubjectRe: (Excessive?) Complexity
Message-ID<vog809$1t95m$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#65323
On 2/9/25 3:39 PM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:45:42 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Simple is good! I struggle often to explain to young whipper snappers
>>> the power of good enough. The power of good enough has won me a lot of
>>> business throughout the years.
>>
>> I've worked with a couple of programmers who tried to anticipate future
>> needs and developed complex code to handle those eventualities. 20 years
>> later the eventualities never happened but the complexity is still there.
>>
>> It's one thing to anticipate future needs in your design and not to paint
>> yourself into a corner and another to spend a lot of time doing stuff
>> before it's necessary. Good enough is good enough.
>>
> 
> This is the truth!


You need to begin using "Dis" for "This". "DFS" would do too.

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