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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l4omc$1hb9v$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81601 |
On 24/01/2026 14:15, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >> >> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >> >> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the >> real home volume over it > > Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition. > The problem with that is upgrades. You really want /home out of the way. And/or remote mounted /home off a NAS... And or data growing to the extent it strangles the root partition -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <wwvcy2youp7.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81608 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 24/01/2026 14:15, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >>> >>> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >>> >>> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the >>> real home volume over it >> Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition. > > The problem with that is upgrades. You really want /home out of the > way. In-place upgrades don’t normally touch /home. I’ve been doing upgrades for 30Y without isolating /home and never once has that been a problem. If your idea of an upgrade is to delete everything and reinstall from scratch then that might be another matter, but even then, the worst case is you recover /home from backup. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l50od$1jr7d$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81611 |
Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 24/01/2026 14:15, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>>>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >>>> >>>> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >>>> >>>> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the >>>> real home volume over it >>> Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition. >> >> The problem with that is upgrades. You really want /home out of the >> way. > > In-place upgrades don’t normally touch /home. I’ve been doing upgrades > for 30Y without isolating /home and never once has that been a problem. > > If your idea of an upgrade is to delete everything and reinstall from > scratch then that might be another matter, but even then, the worst case > is you recover /home from backup. I periodically scp /home/me to another computer or to an external drive. One issue nags me as the years go by... what will happen to all that data [photos, code, legal documents] when I croak? :-( -- Humor in the Court: Q. Mrs. Smith, do you believe that you are emotionally unstable? A. I should be. Q. How many times have you comitted suicide? A. Four times.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <wwvms21g934.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81613 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: > Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> On 24/01/2026 14:15, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>>>>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >>>>> >>>>> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >>>>> >>>>> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the >>>>> real home volume over it >>>> Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition. >>> >>> The problem with that is upgrades. You really want /home out of the >>> way. >> >> In-place upgrades don’t normally touch /home. I’ve been doing upgrades >> for 30Y without isolating /home and never once has that been a problem. >> >> If your idea of an upgrade is to delete everything and reinstall from >> scratch then that might be another matter, but even then, the worst case >> is you recover /home from backup. > > I periodically scp /home/me to another computer or to an external > drive. > > One issue nags me as the years go by... what will happen to all > that data [photos, code, legal documents] when I croak? > > :-( Well, it won’t be your problem any more... Mostly, inheritors don’t care about most of the physical stuff they inherit, once they’ve picked off things that are useful, valuable or sentimental to them. It gets binned, or gets auctioned off, or goes to a charity shop (which in turn will dispose of anything it can’t sell). My parents recognized this and already got rid of most of their junk, which will make my brother’s and my job a little easier in however many years time. There’s an old-school bookshop in Lisbon which quite obviously sources most of its stock from estate sales. As well as a lot of books that nobody really wants any more (although my partner usually finds something she wants there) there’s sheafs of people’s random artwork. Someone might buy some of it I guess, but it’s not exactly the work of undiscovered geniuses. It’s sad to think about, but how else could it be? People have their own lives to live. Preservation is the exception rather than the norm. There aren’t really equivalents of even this very limited preservation for the electronic parts of our estates. I’ve left my successors a note about where to find legal and financial information but nobody’s likely to spend much time poking through my photos. The better ones online anyway, for now. Most likely it’ll all just be lost to time. It’s not really a new question. My grandfather left a large collection of stereoscopic slide images of wildflowers - it’s not in electronic form, but like our hard disks, the value is informational, not physical. My cousin thought digitizing it would be great idea (and I don’t disagree), but he also imagined my Mum would do most of the work once he’d sourced a suitable scanner, which she wasn’t up for, so the project didn’t get much further. I’m not sure where it is right now. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <eli$2601281840@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #81601 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition. My "KISS" principles have me keep /home on a separate drive, so I can move it between devices easily. When I has having computer issues earlier this year, I could just pop /home out and put it on an older computer while I fixed the hardware problem. Elijah ------ different concerns lead to different solutions
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <wwv4io4olbs.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81653 |
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:
> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Or apply the KISS principle and have /home on the root partition.
>
> My "KISS" principles have me keep /home on a separate drive, so I can
> move it between devices easily. When I has having computer issues
> earlier this year, I could just pop /home out and put it on an older
> computer while I fixed the hardware problem.
Whatever works for you, of course. My response to similar situations has
been to move or copy the entire system to the new hardware. That way it
works the same as the old setup. If you only move /home then all the
state and configuration that lives outside /home[1] gets left behind and
your computer doesn’t work the same any more.
[1] e.g. users, groups, the set of installed packages, crontabs,
networking configuration, host keys, PAM config, to name but a few.
--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <pvkh4mxjlh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81588 |
On 2026-01-24 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? > > Many configurations are stored in /home/username > > The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the > real home volume over it That way a user might not know that /home is not mounted, create files on root partition until it fills up, and later have problems recovering the files in either place. The best thing if /home can not be mounted is to crash. Have the user solve the situation however he sees fit, which can be to use root instead. His decision then. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l7gle$2e20e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81616 |
On 2026-01-25, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-24 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >> >> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >> >> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount >> the real home volume over it > > That way a user might not know that /home is not mounted, create files > on root partition until it fills up, and later have problems > recovering the files in either place. > > The best thing if /home can not be mounted is to crash. Have the user > solve the situation however he sees fit, which can be to use root > instead. His decision then. Have the graphical login manager (if this is the problem here) depend on the service/script which mounts filesystems and fail if /home does not get mounted, or if the script has any failure, leaving you with just the virtual console terminal emulators? That way you know something is amiss. What fails here is if you're still able to graphically login as root and you want the login screen available for that. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <lc2k4mxc3k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81631 |
On 2026-01-26 11:46, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-01-25, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-01-24 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >>> >>> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >>> >>> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount >>> the real home volume over it >> >> That way a user might not know that /home is not mounted, create files >> on root partition until it fills up, and later have problems >> recovering the files in either place. >> >> The best thing if /home can not be mounted is to crash. Have the user >> solve the situation however he sees fit, which can be to use root >> instead. His decision then. > > Have the graphical login manager (if this is the problem here) depend on > the service/script which mounts filesystems and fail if /home does not > get mounted, or if the script has any failure, leaving you with just the > virtual console terminal emulators? > > That way you know something is amiss. What fails here is if you're still > able to graphically login as root and you want the login screen > available for that. > Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. But a non writeable /home can happen days after boot. Disk full or corrupted. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l9ree$o30t$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81636 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. I hate when that happens. I'd prefer the system to continue the boot attempt as far as it would go, as there is a chance that I might at least be able to log in SOME way other than entering the root password¹ on the console². Greetings Marc ¹ the one that noone knows ² the one that needs special hardware or walking over to access -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <f1cm4mxb7v.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81645 |
On 2026-01-27 09:02, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. > > I hate when that happens. I'd prefer the system to continue the boot > attempt as far as it would go, as there is a chance that I might at > least be able to log in SOME way other than entering the root > password¹ on the console². You can add "nofail" to the fstab entry. Then boot will continue, but it also will give no message at all. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10la8fe$pi7c$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81646 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-27 09:02, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. >> >> I hate when that happens. I'd prefer the system to continue the boot >> attempt as far as it would go, as there is a chance that I might at >> least be able to log in SOME way other than entering the root >> password¹ on the console². > >You can add "nofail" to the fstab entry. Then boot will continue, but it >also will give no message at all. For fstab entries, that is true, yes. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10la3jf$3g755$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81645 |
At Tue, 27 Jan 2026 09:02:22 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. > > I hate when that happens. I'd prefer the system to continue the boot > attempt as far as it would go, as there is a chance that I might at > least be able to log in SOME way other than entering the root > password¹ on the console². > > Greetings > Marc > > ¹ the one that noone knows > ² the one that needs special hardware or walking over to access I <3 IPMI -- -v ASUS TUF DASH F15 x86_64 Mem: 15.9G OS: Linux 6.14.0-37-generic D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile (6G) 580.126.09 "Brain: The apparatus with which we think that we think."
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10la8fr$pi7p$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81647 |
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote: >At Tue, 27 Jan 2026 09:02:22 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >Normally systemd drops the machine into emergency mode. >> >> I hate when that happens. I'd prefer the system to continue the boot >> attempt as far as it would go, as there is a chance that I might at >> least be able to log in SOME way other than entering the root >> password¹ on the console². >> >> Greetings >> Marc >> >> ¹ the one that noone knows >> ² the one that needs special hardware or walking over to access > >I <3 IPMI That's what I'd call "special hardware". -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l7kov$2fgag$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81616 |
On 25/01/2026 14:12, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-24 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 23/01/2026 23:33, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, >>> so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? >> >> Many configurations are stored in /home/username >> >> The answer is to have a skelatal /home populated before you mount the >> real home volume over it > > That way a user might not know that /home is not mounted, create files > on root partition until it fills up, and later have problems recovering > the files in either place. > No. You limit what is on the stub simply to enough to log on > The best thing if /home can not be mounted is to crash. Have the user > solve the situation however he sees fit, which can be to use root > instead. His decision then. > I am assuming the user is intelligent and linux literate. My bad. -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <a5ue4mxg8k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81577 |
On 2026-01-24 00:33, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-01-23, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-01-23 22:18, Eli the Bearded wrote: >>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> At least in openSUSE. No /home, no login, it silently fails (at least in >>>> graphical mode). >>> >>> Graphical mode. That could be your problem. But that's fixable with a >>> a little care for your X11 config. With no xsession or xinit files, it >>> should spin up a single xterm, maybe with twm. Wayland probably hasn't >>> got a fallback. >> >> If you can not login, you can not fix anything. > > What's still puzzling me here is that passwd and shadow are under /etc, > so... login should work regardless of /home being mounted or not? > > Perhaps unless this is going through PAM and there is some module doing > something more than logging in? > > (Would such systems still have a single-user mode/runlevel available?) Well, I don't know the details of how the system is setup, not that far. Being dumped into "/" as user would not work, even if it opens, because the user has no permission to write anything. A graphical session tries to open config and session files that are not there, thus it tries to create them. Maybe that is what in fact happens, the graphical session starts then crashes. In text mode, I don't remember what happens, but there is trouble. My test machine on vmware has a /home directory, not mount, so I can not test there. I have met people that were not aware that a console mode existed in their machines, typing ctrl-alt-f1. Ah, yes, openSUSE does have "runlevel 1", single user. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10l1lur$id6a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81572 |
On 1/23/26 13:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-23 22:18, Eli the Bearded wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> At least in openSUSE. No /home, no login, it silently fails (at least in >>> graphical mode). >> >> Graphical mode. That could be your problem. But that's fixable with a >> a little care for your X11 config. With no xsession or xinit files, it >> should spin up a single xterm, maybe with twm. Wayland probably hasn't >> got a fallback. > > If you can not login, you can not fix anything. > > > I don't remember the details, it was years ago. The point is that I want > every possibility available, in case something goes wrong. I want to be > able to login as root graphically, just in case. > > I just tried in a fresh install of 16.0, and I can login as root into > XFCE. Yellow background. Perfect. Not even a warning message. Not that I > will use it, but I like that the decision is mine to take. Well if you cannot boot up from the fixed disk have you tried using an installation media? PCLinuxOS for example has a lot of useful tool. to help recover a problematic system. If a system can be booted up then you have a chance to correct the problems with the install if it is not a hardware problem. Hardware problem include a failing fixed disk and/or Graphical Processing Unit which has been assigned a bad or improper driver. In the PCLinuxOS forum failure to choose the correct GPU driver usually a nVidia card, is a frequent complaint. >> >> Elijah >> ------ >> not sure what mgr would do Good luck. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.01- Linux 6.12.66 pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.5
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <rfue4mxm1l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81580 |
On 2026-01-24 06:39, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 1/23/26 13:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-01-23 22:18, Eli the Bearded wrote: >>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> At least in openSUSE. No /home, no login, it silently fails (at >>>> least in >>>> graphical mode). >>> >>> Graphical mode. That could be your problem. But that's fixable with a >>> a little care for your X11 config. With no xsession or xinit files, it >>> should spin up a single xterm, maybe with twm. Wayland probably hasn't >>> got a fallback. >> >> If you can not login, you can not fix anything. >> >> >> I don't remember the details, it was years ago. The point is that I >> want every possibility available, in case something goes wrong. I want >> to be able to login as root graphically, just in case. >> >> I just tried in a fresh install of 16.0, and I can login as root into >> XFCE. Yellow background. Perfect. Not even a warning message. Not that >> I will use it, but I like that the decision is mine to take. > > Well if you cannot boot up from the fixed disk have you tried using an > installation media? PCLinuxOS for example has a lot of useful tool. to > help > recover a problematic system. If a system can be booted up then you have > a chance to correct the problems with the install if it is not a hardware > problem. Hardware problem include a failing fixed disk and/or Graphical > Processing Unit which has been assigned a bad or improper driver. > In the PCLinuxOS forum failure to choose the correct GPU driver > usually a nVidia card, is a frequent complaint. Certainly, I can do that. There is a small rescue boot in the installation media, and also I have a dedicated rescue USB thingie. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kpk1d$1q1tj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81389 |
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 00:32:29 +0000, Pancho wrote: > AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root > account, i.e. with a password. An interactive account doesn’t have to have a password. Even if you configure a root password, you can configure SSH to specifically disallow using it for remote access.
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kq4on$13f9f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81403 |
On 1/21/26 04:17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 00:32:29 +0000, Pancho wrote: > >> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >> account, i.e. with a password. > > An interactive account doesn’t have to have a password. > > Even if you configure a root password, you can configure SSH to > specifically disallow using it for remote access. Yes, which I don't have, and was specifically trying to avoid having in this instance for rsync. It is probably how most people do it in real life.
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