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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
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Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
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Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <nIidnXcm6dBT6vH0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81252 |
On 1/17/26 16:03, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >>>> ifconfig is common, but its parameters are different everywhere and >>>> its output as well. >>> >>> Like most common UNIX commands are between different UNIX-type OSs. >>> >>>> Just having the same command name doesn't constitute an acceptable >>>> interface. >>> >>> They work similarly and give you a start with what to look for. >>> I've being playing with a 1990s UNIX-type OS lately and the >>> ifconfig differences weren't a problem at all. Plus I at least >>> know the command name so I can check the man page and see the >>> differences, without starting from basics and needing to learn >>> a completely different set of command names. Surely the advantage >>> is obvious? >> >> So you would be fine with an ifconfig alias that maps to ip addr? > > That would still make the documentation hard to find (if you don't > know to check if it's an alias anyway). Winders is All-M$ ... the commands, the docs, pretty consistent. Unix (various) and Linux - this is NOT a unified front. In some ways that's good, in others, not. Pick yer poison.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kak2s$n7l2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81136 |
On 2026-01-15, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> Jack Wallen’s list >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ >> >> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is >> a mixed bag. > > I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. > ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man > page to coax the info out of it. I'm getting closer and closer to just ignoring articles with his name. Can't wait for the 2026 rebumps of "x command-line utilities you absolutely will need" featuring mostly the same content as the previous versions from 2025, and replacing the older articles on their website... -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kalds$oqup$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81136 |
On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: > He asked if > there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's > 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kap53$3nav$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81152 |
On 15.01.2026 12:09 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: > > He asked if > > there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why > > it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. > > Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? ifconfig supports setting other settings like irq, mtu, promiscuous mode, media type. Although, I have not seen other settings for other ethernet (or other media) protocols there.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kar7b$qe3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81156 |
On 15/01/2026 13:13, Marco Moock wrote: > On 15.01.2026 12:09 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: >>> He asked if >>> there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why >>> it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. >> >> Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? > > ifconfig supports setting other settings like irq, mtu, promiscuous > mode, media type. Although, I have not seen other settings for other > ethernet (or other media) protocols there. > I think you can talk appletalk over it, for example. I don't think that was IP based... -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87ms2e6e26.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #81152 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> He asked if
>> there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's
>> 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years.
>
> Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP?
I've not seen other address families in ifconfig, but iproute2 used to
allow configuration of other families outside of IP. They were
unceremoniously ripped out long ago. Now you have to use specific tools
for those other protocols.
ipx_interface check br0 802.3
IPX Address for (br0, 802.3) is 00000100:AA0004000104.
dneigh
Node HWtype Next-Hop Flags MTU Iface
ATR2 loop AA:00:04:00:01:04 --- 65533 lo
NERGIG ether AA:00:04:00:0F:04 --- 1498
br0
As per the other comments, bridging used to be with the bridge-utils
tools such as brctl(8). Now that's mostly with the 'ip' tool or 'bridge'
(iproute2 again).
rsync can run without SSH. scp and sftp are still there. 'slogin'
disappeared for reasons I've since forgotten. scp is more for one file
while rsync is for many.
egrep and fgrep used to be separate tools. Now you're supposed to use
'grep' with switches.
nft for 'iptables'. No need for 'rdev' and 'rootflags' anymore either.
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_commands/rootflags.htm for the newbies.
iw vs iwconfig - iw is much more powerful.
Of course, systemd has taken over almost everything anyways. Give it a
few more years and it will have eaten the shell, too.
--
PGP Key ID: 781C A3E2 C6ED 70A6 B356 7AF5 B510 542E D460 5CAE
"The Internet should always be the Wild West!"
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kbkrn$13oio$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81161 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 11:22:41 -0500, jayjwa wrote: > egrep and fgrep used to be separate tools. I think even in AT&T Unix days, they were just alternative links to the same “grep” executable.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwvikd2jyho.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81170 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 11:22:41 -0500, jayjwa wrote:
>
>> egrep and fgrep used to be separate tools.
>
> I think even in AT&T Unix days, they were just alternative links to
> the same “grep” executable.
V7 had three separate executables. The man page notes:
BUGS
Ideally there should be only one grep, but we don't know a
single algorithm that spans a wide enough range of space-time
tradeoffs.
The situation persisted at least to System III (and I think to system V
but I don’t have a suitable copy to hand).
--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <696b7aad$0$2500$426a34cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #81161 |
Le 15-01-2026, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> a écrit : > > rsync can run without SSH. scp and sftp are still there. 'slogin' > disappeared for reasons I've since forgotten. scp is more for one file > while rsync is for many. Well, I don't know the purpose of scp, but the purpose of rsync is to help you the most when your bandwidth is limited. So, if you want to get something on your own computer, rsync is useless. It will copy everything from Internet, but it wont help you with your bandwidth because it has no way to be helpful. But, if you have something on your own computer very similar, to something somewhere else, it will help, because it will take only what's new on this somewhere else. So, if you have a directory with a lot of files, it will download only the newest files. If some files have been updated, then it will depend. If some huge texte files have been updated, it will manage to download only only some necessary parts and be faster. If it's a binary file, it will depend on that file. If only some part of that file changed, it will be able to download only some necessary part. I mean, I guess you changed a video and add a part in the middle, if the other parts of that video are similar, it will be able to download only the necessary parts. I guess if the binary file has changed because of a new compilation, it won't be able to help. So the purpose of rsync is not between the number of files it's between the similarity between the source and the destination. The more similar they are, the best rsync is. Now, if you have a huge bandwidth and a small directory/fil, you won't notice the difference. If you have huge similar directories, rsync will be helpful. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mssrlqFq38sU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81152 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:09:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: >> He asked if there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't >> ask why it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. > > Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? I'm going to assume Microsoft stole it so why change a letter? It's like \ versus /. At least 'we're using / for command parameters because...' is a reason.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kctge$1f76q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81164 |
On 15/01/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:09:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: >>> He asked if there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't >>> ask why it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. >> >> Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? > > I'm going to assume Microsoft stole it so why change a letter? It's like \ > versus /. At least 'we're using / for command parameters because...' is a > reason. By the time microsoft got there it was only used to configure IP interfaces. IPX etc had mostly disappeared -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kd2ir$d8o4$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81182 |
On 16.01.2026 08:39 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/01/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:09:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > > >> On 15/01/2026 03:14, rbowman wrote: > >>> He asked if there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he > >>> didn't ask why it's 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for > >>> years. > >> > >> Because interfaces can be used by other protocols than IP? > > > > I'm going to assume Microsoft stole it so why change a letter? It's > > like \ versus /. At least 'we're using / for command parameters > > because...' is a reason. > > By the time microsoft got there it was only used to configure IP > interfaces. Was there another command to configure IP on Windows/DOS? > IPX etc had mostly disappeared IIRC I've seen that in Windows XP as an installable protocol.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10kalek$oc3m$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81136 |
rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:54:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> Jack Wallen’s list >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/ >> >> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is >> a mixed bag. > > I'm getting ready to nominate Wallen for asshole of the year award. > ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip man > page to coax the info out of it. At the bottom of the man page are 5 simple and common examples. Also a big list of corresponding "ip-xxxxx" commands, each with their own man page. > It is present in Linux Mint 22.3 :) I was talking to the guy who is > running the library's Linux project. He himself has only been using Linux > for a few months and isn't comfortable on the command line. He asked if > there was something like 'ipconfig'. I'm glad he didn't ask why it's > 'ifconfig'. That's been screwing me up for years. > > He was also happy to find Linux has a 'hosts' file just like Windows. Heh, it's the other way around :-) -- The fountain code has been tightened slightly so you can no longer dip objects into a fountain or drink from one while you are floating in mid-air due to levitation. Teleporting to hell via a teleportation trap will no longer occur if the character does not have fire resistance. -- README file from the NetHack game
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mssr7aFq38sU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81153 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 07:09:55 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > At the bottom of the man page are 5 simple and common examples. > > Also a big list of corresponding "ip-xxxxx" commands, each with their > own man page. None of which are filling any burning need for me. I'm sure they're useful for some people.
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eli$2601150115@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
[Gratuitous use of high bit in subject noted.]
In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> Jack Wallen's list
...
> scp -- wrong.
Strong opinion.
> transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own
> protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same
> underlying protocol as sftp, so it's perfectly fine to continue using
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On a foundation of sand.
Personally both scp and "(cd foo && tar cf ... ) | ssh 'cd bar && tar xf -'"
more often than rsync.
> egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been
> true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms
> for "grep -E" and "grep -F" respectively. And it is true that the
> alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years,
> so it behooves you to learn to use the "grep" command for all forms.
Again, this is a dubious opinion. It doesn't matter to me if they are
the same binary or not, "egrep" is a lot easier to type than "grep -E"
and fgrep has the same advantage.
Elijah
------
rysnc has a terrible command line
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vA6dnV7zDtQqA_X0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81142 |
On 1/15/26 01:19, Eli the Bearded wrote: > [Gratuitous use of high bit in subject noted.] > > In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> Jack Wallen's list > ... >> scp -- wrong. > > Strong opinion. > >> transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own >> protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same >> underlying protocol as sftp, so it's perfectly fine to continue using > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > On a foundation of sand. All the best beaches are sand :-) > Personally both scp and "(cd foo && tar cf ... ) | ssh 'cd bar && tar xf -'" > more often than rsync. A lot more complicated ... >> egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been >> true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms >> for "grep -E" and "grep -F" respectively. And it is true that the >> alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years, >> so it behooves you to learn to use the "grep" command for all forms. > > Again, this is a dubious opinion. It doesn't matter to me if they are > the same binary or not, "egrep" is a lot easier to type than "grep -E" > and fgrep has the same advantage. I'll stick with grep. > Elijah > ------ > rysnc has a terrible command line rsync does have a terrible command line - but once you nail it rsync will do exactly what you want and very effectively. If you want a REALLY terrible command line, try ffmpeg :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <peop3mxcir.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81143 |
On 2026-01-15 09:00, c186282 wrote: > If you want a REALLY terrible command line, try ffmpeg 🙂 Agreed. It even changes during the years. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kblbd$13oio$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81142 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 06:19:42 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > On a foundation of sand. I go by the docs. The docs show that scp has been fixed to stop using the old, deprecated protocol (at least by default). There is no mention that the command itself is going to be deprecated any time soon. Therefore, it must be safe to continue using. QED. > rysnc has a terrible command line Like ffmpeg, it’s a very powerful command line, with lots of options. You get that with powerful, versatile tools. That’s why you can write wrapper scripts, or even GUI frontends, that take care of the tedious details for you, for common cases. That’s a fact of life with command-line tools. The *nix world has long experience with this kind of thing, and how to deal with it.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kbub4$16n2s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81172 |
On 2026-01-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 06:19:42 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > >> On a foundation of sand. > > I go by the docs. The docs show that scp has been fixed to stop using > the old, deprecated protocol (at least by default). There is no > mention that the command itself is going to be deprecated any time > soon. Therefore, it must be safe to continue using. QED. No, that is not a logical conclusion. It does invalidate what the article claims, but you cannot conclude that it "must be safe". No offense meant to the programmers involved, I merely mean that you cannot prove the absence of vulnerabilities. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwvqzrquf8n.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81176 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 2026-01-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> Eli the Bearded wrote: >>> On a foundation of sand. >> >> I go by the docs. The docs show that scp has been fixed to stop using >> the old, deprecated protocol (at least by default). There is no >> mention that the command itself is going to be deprecated any time >> soon. Therefore, it must be safe to continue using. QED. > > No, that is not a logical conclusion. > > It does invalidate what the article claims, but you cannot conclude that > it "must be safe". No offense meant to the programmers involved, I > merely mean that you cannot prove the absence of vulnerabilities. I’m not sure what the argument against scp is here or what the supposed foundation of sand is. * scp is better suited to scripting and ad-hoc single-file transfers than the interactive sftp command is; the two commands are optimized for slightly different sets of use cases. * Historically scp’s bizarre transfer protocol meant it had trouble with spaces in filenames. Today its use of the SFTP protocol resolves that, so there is no relevant difference from the sftp command there. (You can tell it to revert to the old way if you want to see the difference.) * You can’t prove the sftp command, sftp server or rsync free of vulnerabilities either, so there is no relevant difference there either. So what is the argument against scp? Or is this all just a bit of pointless nit-picking? -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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