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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Subject | “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” |
| Message-ID | <10k93b3$9rp0$1@dont-email.me> |
Jack Wallen’s list <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, is a mixed bag. ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the Linux “iproute2” suite) offer greater access to all the features of the Linux network stack than the former, older ones, and so are preferable in lots of ways. It is already possible to find setups which don’t have the old commands installed by default; I’m not sure if any distros have actually dropped the option for installing them altogether, but no doubt that will happen at some point. scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually. egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms for “grep -E” and “grep -F” respectively. And it is true that the alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years, so it behooves you to learn to use the “grep” command for all forms. netstat vs ss -- yes, another case of the newer iproute2-based command taking over from the older, traditional command, and offering more features besides. Same remarks as above apply. route vs ip route -- iproute2 again. arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <LSKdnYoOUIowjvX0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 1/14/26 16:54, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Jack Wallen’s list > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/> > of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, > is a mixed bag. > > ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the Linux > “iproute2” suite) offer greater access to all the features of the > Linux network stack than the former, older ones, and so are preferable > in lots of ways. It is already possible to find setups which don’t > have the old commands installed by default; I’m not sure if any > distros have actually dropped the option for installing them > altogether, but no doubt that will happen at some point. Sometimes more can be less. I rarely used ifconfig to actually configure things - but use it often just to see what's what. The Just The Important Stuff output is better than 'ip's. > scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of > transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own > protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same > underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using > the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that > the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though > no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for > compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually. I do use scp sometimes as well, often for moving stuff to/between PIs with no GUIs. No, everything does not need to have a GUI. Little trick, install a simple GUI but don't enable it to autostart. That way it's there ... but not there ... suckin' CPU/mem. > egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been > true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms > for “grep -E” and “grep -F” respectively. And it is true that the > alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years, > so it behooves you to learn to use the “grep” command for all forms. Grep is hyper-important. > netstat vs ss -- yes, another case of the newer iproute2-based command > taking over from the older, traditional command, and offering more > features besides. Same remarks as above apply. > > route vs ip route -- iproute2 again. > > arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2. Rare use - but I still like the relative simplicity compared to all+kitchen_sink 'improved' utils.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwv34479sp4.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81126 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
> On 1/14/26 16:54, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the
>> Linux
>> “iproute2” suite) offer greater access to all the features of the
>> Linux network stack than the former, older ones, and so are preferable
>> in lots of ways. It is already possible to find setups which don’t
>> have the old commands installed by default; I’m not sure if any
>> distros have actually dropped the option for installing them
>> altogether, but no doubt that will happen at some point.
>
> Sometimes more can be less. I rarely used ifconfig to
> actually configure things - but use it often just to
> see what's what. The Just The Important Stuff output
> is better than 'ip's.
ifconfig omits quite basic information. For example it misses out most
of the IPv4 addresses.
$ ifconfig br0
br0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
inet 172.17.207.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 172.17.207.255
inet6 2001:470:9544:1000::1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0<global>
inet6 fe80::a8af:4cff:fe30:beca prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20<link>
inet6 2001:470:1f09:11ed::1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0<global>
ether aa:af:4c:30:be:ca txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
RX packets 428586239 bytes 209612436058 (195.2 GiB)
RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0
TX packets 441241166 bytes 730413120539 (680.2 GiB)
TX errors 0 dropped 31 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
$ ip addr show br0
4: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether aa:af:4c:30:be:ca brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 172.17.207.1/24 brd 172.17.207.255 scope global br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 172.17.207.4/24 scope global secondary br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 172.17.207.9/24 scope global secondary br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 172.17.207.10/24 scope global secondary br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 172.17.207.11/24 scope global secondary br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 172.17.207.25/24 scope global secondary br0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 2001:470:9544:1000::1/64 scope global
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 2001:470:1f09:11ed::1/64 scope global
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::a8af:4cff:fe30:beca/64 scope link proto kernel_ll
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership:
$ ip addr show eno1.1
5: eno1.1@eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 88:ae:dd:05:79:22 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
$ ifconfig eno1.1
eno1.1: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
ether 88:ae:dd:05:79:22 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
RX packets 423961737 bytes 202388310544 (188.4 GiB)
RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0
TX packets 638112950 bytes 734464314910 (684.0 GiB)
TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
--
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kairh$18ekd$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81144 |
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership: > > $ ip addr show eno1.1 > 5: eno1.1@eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000 > link/ether 88:ae:dd:05:79:22 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Bridge Membership, VLANs and Bonding is something that ip has at least backwards. I find that information incredibly hard to find. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kbl3h$13oio$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81148 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:25:37 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Bridge Membership, VLANs and Bonding is something that ip has at > least backwards. I find that information incredibly hard to find. Here’s something else that still seems to be hard to find: given one end of a “veth” (virtual Ethernet connection) device pair, how do you find the other end? Bearing in mind these are commonly used for connecting between containers/VMs, so the two ends might not even be in the same network namespace. Linux seems to offer no convenient API call or calls for this. Here <https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/441876/how-to-find-the-network-namespace-of-a-veth-peer-ifindex> is a discussion of how the question might be answered -- but be warned, it’s quite convoluted.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kdc1c$1h609$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81171 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:25:37 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> Bridge Membership, VLANs and Bonding is something that ip has at >> least backwards. I find that information incredibly hard to find. > >Here’s something else that still seems to be hard to find: given one >end of a “veth” (virtual Ethernet connection) device pair, how do you >find the other end? Bearing in mind these are commonly used for >connecting between containers/VMs, so the two ends might not even be >in the same network namespace. Amen. Sigh. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10kalo9$oc3m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81144 |
Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >> >> <snip> > > ifconfig omits quite basic information. For example it misses out most > of the IPv4 addresses. > > $ ifconfig br0 > > <snip> > > $ ip addr show br0 > > <snip> > > It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership: > > $ ip addr show eno1.1 > > <snip> Don't forget to mention that ip addr has nice color coding :-) -- St. Patrick was a gentleman who through strategy and stealth drove all the snakes from Ireland. Here's a toasting to his health -- but not too many toastings lest you lose yourself and then forget the good St. Patrick and see all those snakes again.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mssr2aFq38sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81154 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 07:15:04 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > Richard Kettlewell wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >>> >>> <snip> >> >> ifconfig omits quite basic information. For example it misses out most >> of the IPv4 addresses. >> >> $ ifconfig br0 >> >> <snip> >> >> $ ip addr show br0 >> >> <snip> >> >> It also doesn’t seem to know about bridge membership: >> >> $ ip addr show eno1.1 >> >> <snip> > > Don't forget to mention that ip addr has nice color coding :-) I suppose it would help if I knew what 'inet6 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23/64 scope global deprecated dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute' is telling me or, for that matter what ifconfig's entry means. inet6 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0<global> I'm not a network admin and it's all noise to me. '-h' and '-p' are the same although 'j' does emit json.
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kd2g0$d8o4$2@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81162 |
On 15.01.2026 18:47 rbowman rbowman wrote: > I suppose it would help if I knew what 'inet6 > 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23/64 scope global deprecated > dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute' It means that the IPv6 address (2600:100e...) of family inet6 (this is IPv6, IPv4 uses inet) is assigned to that interface with address scope global (address is globally unique, see IPv6 address scopes). deprecated means that the address can still be used, but outgoing connections will use a new one created by SLAAC.dynamic means the address is created by SLAAC. There are more addresses, please provide the complete output of the ip command. mngtmpaddr is about privacy extensions, see https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/ip-address.8.html noprefixroute means no route for the prefix will be created. All of that is irrelevant for everyday use, just keep the default. > is telling me or, for that matter what ifconfig's entry means. > > inet6 2600:100e:b036:72f8:38ba:e736:ff86:ba23 prefixlen 64 scopeid > 0x0<global> > > I'm not a network admin and it's all noise to me. '-h' and '-p' are > the same although 'j' does emit json. Please let us know what you want to know and what you want to do.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kdc37$1h62f$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81185 |
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >Please let us know what you want to know and what you want to do. He is very obviously looking for reasons to dislike IPv6 and to stick to IPv4. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <msver8F8gjcU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81193 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 13:48:39 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >>Please let us know what you want to know and what you want to do. > > He is very obviously looking for reasons to dislike IPv6 and to stick to > IPv4. > > Greetings Marc Not in the least. I was only pointing out that ip presents information I've never need up to this point in my life. I will admit I like 192.168.1.102 better than fe80::e8fa:7f5c:da23:aa05. I suppose with enough fucking around I could get sftp to work with IPv6 on my LAN but I see absolutely no reason to.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <hmnq3mxu7r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81205 |
On 2026-01-16 19:37, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 13:48:39 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > >> Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >>> Please let us know what you want to know and what you want to do. >> >> He is very obviously looking for reasons to dislike IPv6 and to stick to >> IPv4. >> >> Greetings Marc > > Not in the least. I was only pointing out that ip presents information > I've never need up to this point in my life. > > I will admit I like 192.168.1.102 better than fe80::e8fa:7f5c:da23:aa05. > I suppose with enough fucking around I could get sftp to work with IPv6 on > my LAN but I see absolutely no reason to. You will never be forced to use IPv6 in your LAN. I have IPv6 in my LAN, but I don't have to use it. It is different outside. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kfjba$1npr3$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81215 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >You will never be forced to use IPv6 in your LAN. I have IPv6 in my LAN, >but I don't have to use it. I bet you're already using it more than you think. I am forced to still use IPv4. That's bad. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7cfs3mxu17.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81234 |
On 2026-01-17 10:04, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> You will never be forced to use IPv6 in your LAN. I have IPv6 in my LAN, >> but I don't have to use it. > > I bet you're already using it more than you think. > > I am forced to still use IPv4. That's bad. Same here. My ISP started a Beta test, but I had to stop it. The router did not have a firewall for IPv6 or was disabled. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kg51h$1pujn$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81242 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >My ISP started a Beta test, but I had to stop it. The router did not >have a firewall for IPv6 or was disabled. That's the fault of your Router. Get gear that is worth its money. Grüße Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <9adt3mxueu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81245 |
On 2026-01-17 15:06, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> My ISP started a Beta test, but I had to stop it. The router did not >> have a firewall for IPv6 or was disabled. > > That's the fault of your Router. Get gear that is worth its money. You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get a router. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kiboo$23nkj$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81254 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-17 15:06, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> My ISP started a Beta test, but I had to stop it. The router did not >>> have a firewall for IPv6 or was disabled. >> >> That's the fault of your Router. Get gear that is worth its money. > >You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get a router. Ouch. Please forgive my European-Centric View, where residential customers HAVE to get the option to choose their own router. In your case, you'd need your own ethernet-ethernet router with an IPv6 firewall. It also needs to support IPv6 DHCP PD (and your ISP needs to do that as well, which requires them to have a basic clue about IPv6). Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <krtu3mxb9h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81259 |
On 2026-01-18 11:13, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-17 15:06, Marc Haber wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> My ISP started a Beta test, but I had to stop it. The router did not >>>> have a firewall for IPv6 or was disabled. >>> >>> That's the fault of your Router. Get gear that is worth its money. >> >> You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get a router. > > Ouch. Please forgive my European-Centric View, where residential > customers HAVE to get the option to choose their own router. It is European. The configuration of the router is complex and not published, despite whatever EU regulations to the contrary. > > In your case, you'd need your own ethernet-ethernet router with an > IPv6 firewall. It also needs to support IPv6 DHCP PD (and your ISP > needs to do that as well, which requires them to have a basic clue > about IPv6). Another layer of complexity. You forget the context. It was a beta test of IPv6, so the hardware has to be the hardware supplied by the provider. I can not play at solving their failures by adding my hardware. The beta failed. Their hardware failed. Period. No IPv6 to be deployed ISP wide. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kji6i$3p7to$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81259 |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 11:13:44 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >> You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get a >> router. > > Ouch. Please forgive my European-Centric View, where residential > customers HAVE to get the option to choose their own router. Carlos is in Spain. 😑 Here in NZ, we have a decently competitive Internet provider market, too, like you have in Germany.
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <696d4d60$0$11427$426a34cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #81274 |
Le 18-01-2026, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit : > > On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 11:13:44 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> You forget that it is THEIR router, not mine. I can not just get a >>> router. >> >> Ouch. Please forgive my European-Centric View, where residential >> customers HAVE to get the option to choose their own router. > > Carlos is in Spain. 😑 > > Here in NZ, we have a decently competitive Internet provider market, > too, like you have in Germany. In France we have a decently correct ISP market too. But it means we can chose our ISP. Mostly the biggest ISP come with their router and we have to use it. The possibility to choose one's ISP doesn't imply we can choose our router. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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