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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10keark$218ao$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81211 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 22:28:07 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > All that slower than simply calling again ifconfig. I don’t even have ifconfig installed!
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696ada33@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81212 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 22:28:07 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> All that slower than simply calling again ifconfig. > > I don't even have ifconfig installed! We can all make that choice about any command if we want. :) -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kfpml$2eq65$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81211 |
On 16/01/2026 21:28, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-16 22:07, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> (just remember you can’t abbreviate it to “ip-addr”). > > All that slower than simply calling again ifconfig. > A general rule of conservative programming is 'don't learn anything new until the old way simply does not work' -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kl3nk$8lo3$3@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81236 |
On 17.01.2026 10:53 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > A general rule of conservative programming is 'don't learn anything > new until the old way simply does not work' This is already the case. E.g. SUSE doesn't come with ifconfig, arp, route etc. preinstalled. And in case network is not set up, you cannot install them.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gtn14mx916.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81295 |
On 2026-01-19 12:15, Marco Moock wrote: > On 17.01.2026 10:53 The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> A general rule of conservative programming is 'don't learn anything >> new until the old way simply does not work' > > This is already the case. E.g. SUSE doesn't come with ifconfig, arp, > route etc. preinstalled. And in case network is not set up, you cannot > install them. > You can have your little cheat sheet, and during installation install the list of add on packages that you want to have from the first minute that are not installed by default. Say, I like midnight commander. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10klgch$2gfvn$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81300 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-01-19 12:15, Marco Moock wrote: >> On 17.01.2026 10:53 The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> A general rule of conservative programming is 'don't learn anything >>> new until the old way simply does not work' >> >> This is already the case. E.g. SUSE doesn't come with ifconfig, arp, >> route etc. preinstalled. And in case network is not set up, you cannot >> install them. >> > >You can have your little cheat sheet, and during installation install >the list of add on packages that you want to have from the first minute >that are not installed by default. Say, I like midnight commander. I always find it interesting how much people are willing to learn and work for not having to adapt to the important things they SHOULD learn. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <20260119083811.00002ca7@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #81304 |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 15:50:56 +0100 Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > I always find it interesting how much people are willing to learn and > work for not having to adapt to the important things they SHOULD > learn. Not everyone agrees that they *should* have to learn it. That may seem unreasonable to you, but it's part of the approximately democratic-ish nature of FOSS projects.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10knj0j$2orur$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81308 |
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 15:50:56 +0100 >Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> I always find it interesting how much people are willing to learn and >> work for not having to adapt to the important things they SHOULD >> learn. > >Not everyone agrees that they *should* have to learn it. Yes, there are stupid people out there. Things change out there in the world, and if you don't adapt or learn, then the things out there will leave you behind. I am shocked about how people who are twenty years younger than me refuse to learn new things. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10km4st$lmvq$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81304 |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 15:50:56 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > I always find it interesting how much people are willing to learn > and work for not having to adapt to the important things they SHOULD > learn. The incremental cost of continual workarounds to avoid having to do things the new way inevitably adds up to more than the up-front cost of starting out doing things the new way in the first place. Something about human psychology: you see this, not just in personal affairs, but in the way many businesses are run, too.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10knj5n$2osp9$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81311 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 15:50:56 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> I always find it interesting how much people are willing to learn >> and work for not having to adapt to the important things they SHOULD >> learn. > >The incremental cost of continual workarounds to avoid having to do >things the new way inevitably adds up to more than the up-front cost >of starting out doing things the new way in the first place. Au contraire: There is significant cost in sticking with the old stuff. I recently rewrote a (small) software package that was umaintained for fifteen years. Converted the thing to use systemd units and a systemd generator, and the code size shrunk to a third of the LOC it had before. Same thing happens when one changes a package from an init script to a systemd service unit: An init script usually has about a hundred lines (of program code), a basic systemd unit under ten (of directives). Now, this thread will first go systemd and then die off. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kackp$3nav$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81136 |
On 15.01.2026 03:14 rbowman rbowman wrote: > ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip > man page to coax the info out of it. Some distributions do not ship it by default, but moved it to a separate package. Rather bad if I notice that when networking is not working.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696961d0@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81145 |
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: > On 15.01.2026 03:14 rbowman rbowman wrote: >> ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip >> man page to coax the info out of it. > > Some distributions do not ship it by default, but moved it to a > separate package. Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip. Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs. It looks like there's still no ip command in the BSDs, for example. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10kd21o$d8o4$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81173 |
On 16.01.2026 07:53 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip. Which one? > Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs. The command name is, but the options are different. AIX and FreeBSD have -d, Linux doesn't, just for example. Various other differences exist, just compare the options listed in the manpages. > It looks like there's still no ip command in the BSDs, for example. Indeed. they use ifconfig, netstat, arp/ndp and ss (replacement for netstat).
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ke8qa$2091b$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81184 |
On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 10:57:12 +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > On 16.01.2026 07:53 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > >> It looks like there's still no ip command in the BSDs, for example. > > Indeed. they use ifconfig, netstat, arp/ndp and ss (replacement for > netstat). The BSD networking commands seem like a bit of a hodge-podge. While the “route” command lets you modify the routing table, it doesn’t have an option to just list the existing entries: you have to use an entirely different command, “netstat”, for that. Even the old Linux “route” command was better than that.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696ad6ee@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81184 |
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
> On 16.01.2026 07:53 Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>
>> Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip.
>
> Which one?
Tiny Core Linux.
>> Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs.
>
> The command name is, but the options are different.
Yeah, of course, but it's for the same purpose of "configure a
network interface".
> AIX and FreeBSD have -d, Linux doesn't, just for example.
Ahh, "ifconfig --help" (GNU Inetutils) gives me:
" -d, -p, --dstaddr=ADDR, --peer=ADDR
set destination (peer) address to ADDR"
But it seems it doesn't match FreeBSD's "-d":
"-d Display only the interfaces that are down."
https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ifconfig
> Various other differences exist, just compare the options listed in the
> manpages.
Yes, but they're similar in purpose and general behaviour. Such is
to be expected between OSs. It's a really dumb argument for
omitting it entirely. Better change the "cp" command too in that
case because on BSD you don't get the "-b", "-u", etc. options like
in GNU Coreutils "cp" that's typical on Linux, so that's different
too, and so on...
--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10kfr8r$2ekp2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81220 |
On 2026-01-17, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >> On 16.01.2026 07:53 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> >>> Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip. >> >> Which one? > > Tiny Core Linux. > >>> Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs. >> >> The command name is, but the options are different. > > Yeah, of course, but it's for the same purpose of "configure a > network interface". > >> AIX and FreeBSD have -d, Linux doesn't, just for example. > > Ahh, "ifconfig --help" (GNU Inetutils) gives me: > " -d, -p, --dstaddr=ADDR, --peer=ADDR > set destination (peer) address to ADDR" > > But it seems it doesn't match FreeBSD's "-d": > "-d Display only the interfaces that are down." > https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ifconfig > >> Various other differences exist, just compare the options listed in the >> manpages. > > Yes, but they're similar in purpose and general behaviour. Such is > to be expected between OSs. It's a really dumb argument for > omitting it entirely. Better change the "cp" command too in that > case because on BSD you don't get the "-b", "-u", etc. options like > in GNU Coreutils "cp" that's typical on Linux, so that's different > too, and so on... (There's a difference between these two cases, cp ought to have the same base set of features on different systems and implementations, as specified by IEEE 1003.1, while ifconfig isn't in there, so unless it's the same utility or a fork of the codebase, there's no guarantee that it'll share features, option names, syntax or output formats. Kind of like killall isn't specified and can either kill all processes or kill processes by name, depending on the implementation.) https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/cp.html -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10kdc0i$1h5vb$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81173 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >> On 15.01.2026 03:14 rbowman rbowman wrote: >>> ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip >>> man page to coax the info out of it. >> >> Some distributions do not ship it by default, but moved it to a >> separate package. > >Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip. Which one? >Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs. It looks >like there's still no ip command in the BSDs, for example. ifconfig is common, but its parameters are different everywhere and its output as well. Just having the same command name doesn't constitute an acceptable interface. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696ad9ca@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81190 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >>Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote: >>> On 15.01.2026 03:14 rbowman rbowman wrote: >>>> ifconfig works fine for me and I don't have to read the whole damn ip >>>> man page to coax the info out of it. >>> >>> Some distributions do not ship it by default, but moved it to a >>> separate package. >> >>Some Linux distributions still ship with ifconfig and without ip. > > Which one? Tiny Core Linux. >>Plus ifconfig is common between different UNIX-type OSs. It looks >>like there's still no ip command in the BSDs, for example. > > ifconfig is common, but its parameters are different everywhere and > its output as well. Like most common UNIX commands are between different UNIX-type OSs. > Just having the same command name doesn't constitute an acceptable > interface. They work similarly and give you a start with what to look for. I've being playing with a 1990s UNIX-type OS lately and the ifconfig differences weren't a problem at all. Plus I at least know the command name so I can check the man page and see the differences, without starting from basics and needing to learn a completely different set of command names. Surely the advantage is obvious? -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <10kfj4a$1npde$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81221 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> ifconfig is common, but its parameters are different everywhere and >> its output as well. > >Like most common UNIX commands are between different UNIX-type OSs. > >> Just having the same command name doesn't constitute an acceptable >> interface. > >They work similarly and give you a start with what to look for. >I've being playing with a 1990s UNIX-type OS lately and the >ifconfig differences weren't a problem at all. Plus I at least >know the command name so I can check the man page and see the >differences, without starting from basics and needing to learn >a completely different set of command names. Surely the advantage >is obvious? So you would be fine with an ifconfig alias that maps to ip addr? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696bf905@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81232 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >>Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >>> ifconfig is common, but its parameters are different everywhere and >>> its output as well. >> >>Like most common UNIX commands are between different UNIX-type OSs. >> >>> Just having the same command name doesn't constitute an acceptable >>> interface. >> >>They work similarly and give you a start with what to look for. >>I've being playing with a 1990s UNIX-type OS lately and the >>ifconfig differences weren't a problem at all. Plus I at least >>know the command name so I can check the man page and see the >>differences, without starting from basics and needing to learn >>a completely different set of command names. Surely the advantage >>is obvious? > > So you would be fine with an ifconfig alias that maps to ip addr? That would still make the documentation hard to find (if you don't know to check if it's an alias anyway). -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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