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Re: Recent history of vi

From Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Recent history of vi
Date 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
Organization terraraq NNTP server
Message-ID <wwv1plf6apd.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> (permalink)
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 29/11/2025 19:45, Peter Flass wrote:
>> On 11/29/25 04:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2025 21:10, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>> UTF-16 has neither advantage. Upgrading from ASCII can’t be done
>>>>> compatibly with existing applications, and you don’t even get the
>>>>> fixed-width encoding of UTF-32 in return. It’s the worst of all
>>>>> possible worlds.
>>>> Thus making it the_perfect_  choice of encoding for Microsoft Windows.
>>
>> IBM mainframes and System i use UTF-16.
> 
> I would have thought the font would be a function of software, not
> tied to any hardware.

Yes. There’s a lot of confusion in this thread. OS APIs may work in one
encoding, a language runtime might prefer another, and an application
may represent its strings in yet another (or more than one, if it’s
dealing with web pages, emails, etc). Hardware makes very little
difference beyond the extent to which hardware is bound to particular
operating systems (although trying to do UTF-32 on a Z80 would be rather
inconvenient).

> There is probably an argument for either 32 or 64 bit characters these
> days. Same as integers grew from 16 to 64 bit...

C has had a wide character type (wchar_t) available for years. It’s
basically unusuable, almost everyone uses char and UTF-8, because all
the existing software works that way and it’s hugely cheaper to adopt
UTF-8 and smooth off a few sharp edges than to rewrite everything to use
a new character type. There are absolutely use cases for switching
temporarily to 32-bit characters but for the most part, it’s just not
worth it.

Go is similar. Strings are made of bytes, normally encoded as UTF-8, but
it’s straightforward to get the 32-bit code points out when you need
them. Rust has a 32-bit ‘char’ but the String type is UTF-8 (with a
separate type for non-UTF-8 strings).

Python takes a different approach. Its internal string representation
dynamically picks 8, 16 or 32 bits depending on the string contents,
with UTF-8 created on demand and cached.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
  Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
    Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
      Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
          Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
              Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
                ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
                Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-24 04:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
                Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
                Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
                Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-12-05 11:45 +0000
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:41 +0100
                Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:38 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:15 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:44 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
                Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:09 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 12:29 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:23 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:56 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:18 +1300
                Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-01 01:55 +0100
                Re: Recent history of vi Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-30 13:29 +0100
          Re: Recent history of vi Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-11-23 12:48 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-23 17:51 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000

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