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Re: Recent history of vi

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Recent history of vi
Date 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
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References (7 earlier) <slrn10jb7eb.17aag.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> <mpm0h0Fi256U3@mid.individual.net> <IkkZQ.697$k6W8.76@fx34.iad> <10h4noh$3n4no$4@dont-email.me> <slrn10jbtsk.1c8f5.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de>

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On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 22:54:28 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote:

> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an
> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language
> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke and it
> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so
> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the
> Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common
> people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading
> the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin)
> to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy
> trying to remain gatekeepers ...

Given the theological novelties Billie Joe Fuddrucker of the Church of 
Jesus Christ With Signs Following' can find, let alone Scofield, Darby, 
and Co come up with it would have been better written in Klingon.

If you rewind far enough, the bible was translated to Greek since many 
Jews could no longer read Hebrew. It lost out in the competition at the 
Council of Trent but the Vetus Latina was one of many translations from 
the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew original. Jerome translated from 
Hebrew into Latin, creating the Vulgate, around 400.

Luther tried to follow Erasmus' Greek version that had been patched 
together for several extant manuscripts but his Greek and Hebrew weren't 
all that great.

The Textus Receptus followed the same path. Strangely, some references in 
the KJV can only be found in the Septuagint. 

Rapture me up, Jesus.

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