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Re: Cars, engines...

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Cars, engines...
Date 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
Message-ID <mq0rc5Fcdl6U3@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (10 earlier) <SkednTQAHeyrQqr0nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> <mprepgFfrgiU2@mid.individual.net> <51ahjklsu5lfhmac7rm518jqgb7g2h2n5c@4ax.com> <10hbi4e$1di3b$12@dont-email.me> <kuhq0mxsfg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had with
> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I
> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes were
> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum
> servo-assist.

I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission cars 
used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for braking with 
your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory 
kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake 
instead.

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