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Re: Cars, engines...

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Cars, engines...
Date 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
Message-ID <h2cs0mxutr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink)
References (11 earlier) <mprepgFfrgiU2@mid.individual.net> <51ahjklsu5lfhmac7rm518jqgb7g2h2n5c@4ax.com> <10hbi4e$1di3b$12@dont-email.me> <kuhq0mxsfg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <mq0rc5Fcdl6U3@mid.individual.net>

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On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had with
>> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I
>> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes were
>> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum
>> servo-assist.
> 
> I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission cars
> used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for braking with
> your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory
> kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake
> instead.

I never drove an automatic car.

I guess my left leg kicks differently than my right, because the pedals 
have different feeling, specially when the brake was not assisted and I 
had to push really hard (decades ago).

Steering was also an exercise. No servo. Cars were lighter, though. Not 
over a ton.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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