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From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
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Subject Re: Cars, engines...
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On 2025-12-12 05:02, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/11/25 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-12-10 11:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2025 23:01, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> Within the last few years, they've been replaced by a TPS, throttle
>>>> position sensor, that simply provides an electrical representation of
>>>> the throttle position to the ECU. They seem to call it TBW, throttle by
>>>> wire.
>>>>
>>> Something has to modulate the air input on a petrol engine.
>>>
>>> I dont think they use servos.
>>> On a diesel, well its different.
>>>
>>>> Clutches have been hydraulic for quite a few years, so that cable is
>>>> gone, as well. Good riddance to all of them. It's one less maintenance
>>>> item.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen a mechanically coupled  clutch (or brakes) on a 4 
>>> wheeled vehicle since...forever! 1955 or there about maybe.
>>>
>>> Standard on bikes tho I agree.
>>
>> My father's car in which I started driving had mechanical clutch. 
>> Probably cable. An Austin 1300. Hydraulic brakes, no servo assist.
>>
>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had 
>> with hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 
>> 1984. I remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the 
>> brakes were brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped 
>> brutally. Vacuum servo-assist.
>>
>> My first car too also had cable clutch. A Renault Super 5 TL. This car 
>> was bought around 1985.
>>
>> Non had assisted steering.
> 
>    Once had an old car that came with power steering - except
>    the pump was broken and I could not afford to replace it.
>    THAT was a muscle-building exercise for sure !  :-)

My late Canadian cousin said he had one like that. A Ford Mustang.

> 
>    Drove it for years. Huge engine ... indeed had to add an
>    electric fuel booster pump if I wanted full throttle for
>    more than ten seconds. Sold it to some guy who ran it
>    into a concrete pole at 45mph. The thing STILL ran, with
>    a big "U" in the front. You wouldn't WANT to drive it
>    of course. Good old American Heavy Metal  :-)
> 
>    Now smaller cars ... power steering/brakes are nice, but
>    not NECESSARY. It was quite easy to drive a mid 60s car
>    without such add-ons.
> 
>    A lot of 'accessories' were added to automobiles not
>    so much because they were necessary - but instead
>    because they were an advertising point.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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