Re: Unix time

Subject	Re: Unix time
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From	"26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net>
Date	2022-11-18 23:33 -0500
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On 11/10/22 5:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-11-07 04:41, 26C.Z968 wrote:
>> On 11/6/22 8:00 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
>>> Pancho wrote:
>>>> On 06/11/2022 02:02, 26C.Z968 wrote:
>>>>> On 10/29/22 10:51 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/22 01:51, Andrei Z. wrote:
>>>>>>> "Time is an illusion, Unix time doubly so..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.netmeister.org/blog/epoch.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Discussion on Hacker News
>>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33341652
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Wait until you are over 80 to tell us time is
>>>>>> an illusion.  Time is duration aka how long something
>>>>>> lasts.  I have lasted with changes over 85 years.
>>>>>>      Unix time is as long as Unix lasts and is
>>>>>> a useful idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     bliss-the ineluctable, formerly implacable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Unix time will outlast Unix. 
>>>>
>>>> cal has disappeared from Ubuntu 22.04!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> $ apt show ncal
>>> ...
>>> This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal" 
>>> program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. ...
>>>
>>> $ apt policy ncal
>>> ncal:
>>>    Installed: 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2
>>>    Candidate: 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2
>>>    Version table:
>>>   *** 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2 500
>>>          500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/universe amd64 
>>> Packages
>>>          100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>>>
>>
>>    I've noticed a number of olde-tyme utilities disappearing.
>>    OpenSUSE dropped a number I was using, and now the trend
>>    seems to be spreading. The "improved" versions really ain't.
>>
>>    Problem - lots of software saves a LOT of code by just running
>>    those utilities in a shell and parsing what comes back. Suddenly
>>    it's broken ....
>>
>>    And I *do* prefer 'ifconfig' to 'ip'. Much more straight-up
>>    informative report ... what you're REALLY looking for .....
> 
> 
> openSUSE has ifconfig, if you really want it. But you shouldn't.


   But I *DO* want it ... it's all I ever need or want and
   there's a decade+ of useful examples to be had. It's
   one of the first things I install on any system that
   lacks it by default. It's perfect for my needs and
   the New Guys trying to ruin good things to their own
   advantage can stick it.

   So I *do* and *will* ...


> For instance:
> 
> With the servers that mount Infiniband cards, when I use the ifconfig 
> command, I get this warning:
> 
> Ifconfig uses the ioctl access method to get the full address
> information, which limits hardware addresses to 8 bytes.
> Because Infiniband address has 20 bytes, only the first 8 bytes
> are displayed correctly.
> Ifconfig is obsolete! For replacement check ip.
> 
> 
> https://inai.de/2008/02/19?range=2008/02/19
> 
> ifconfig sucks
> 
> On Linux, ifconfig is an archaic network interface configuration 
> command. 


   That works VERY well ...


> The implementation commonly encountered, "net-tools", has a 
> number of problems which make it more and more unsuitable. The list of 
> replacements is below.

   Not interested.

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Unix time "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:51 +0300
  Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-10-29 10:54 +1000
  Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-10-29 07:51 -0700
    Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-05 22:02 -0400
      Re: Unix time Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-06 12:14 +0000
        Re: Unix time "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 16:00 +0300
          Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-06 22:41 -0500
            Re: [OT] Unix time Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-09 16:54 -0600
              Re: [OT] Unix time Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:29 +1000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 10:58 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-21 21:59 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-22 12:31 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-22 15:37 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-23 00:28 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 00:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-23 12:47 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 23:55 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 09:30 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-26 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 13:26 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:32 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 14:36 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 14:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 19:25 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 19:40 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 21:28 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-24 13:06 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-26 23:36 -0500
            Re: Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-10 11:01 +0100
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:33 -0500
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:37 -0500
                Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 11:01 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:06 -0500
                Re: Unix time Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-11-21 13:03 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-21 21:40 -0500
          Re: Unix time Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-07 10:17 +0000
      Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-06 07:43 -0800
        Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-06 22:35 -0500
          Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:12 +0000
            Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:21 +0000
              Re: Unix time Harold Stevens <wookie@limbo.localdomain> - 2022-11-07 02:44 -0600
              Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:42 +0000
                Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-07 16:44 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:46 -0500
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:32 -0500
                Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-09 08:13 -0800
                Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-11-10 07:10 +1000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-16 00:18 -0500
                Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-16 18:13 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-17 00:41 -0500
                Re: Unix time Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2022-11-22 18:21 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 00:31 -0500
                Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-11-17 07:27 +1000
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:10 -0500
                Re: Unix time Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-11-09 18:52 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-10 18:57 -0600
                Re: [OT] Unix time G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2022-11-11 10:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-11 12:20 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:46 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-11 18:39 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-11 17:50 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:15 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-14 23:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-16 00:11 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 08:54 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 11:04 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:16 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 13:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:51 -0500

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