Re: Unix time

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Unix time
Date	2022-11-10 11:01 +0100
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On 2022-11-07 04:41, 26C.Z968 wrote:
> On 11/6/22 8:00 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
>> Pancho wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2022 02:02, 26C.Z968 wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/22 10:51 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>> On 10/28/22 01:51, Andrei Z. wrote:
>>>>>> "Time is an illusion, Unix time doubly so..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.netmeister.org/blog/epoch.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discussion on Hacker News
>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33341652
>>>>>
>>>>>      Wait until you are over 80 to tell us time is
>>>>> an illusion.  Time is duration aka how long something
>>>>> lasts.  I have lasted with changes over 85 years.
>>>>>      Unix time is as long as Unix lasts and is
>>>>> a useful idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>     bliss-the ineluctable, formerly implacable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Unix time will outlast Unix. 
>>>
>>> cal has disappeared from Ubuntu 22.04!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> $ apt show ncal
>> ...
>> This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal" 
>> program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. ...
>>
>> $ apt policy ncal
>> ncal:
>>    Installed: 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2
>>    Candidate: 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2
>>    Version table:
>>   *** 12.1.7+nmu3ubuntu2 500
>>          500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/universe amd64 
>> Packages
>>          100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>>
> 
>    I've noticed a number of olde-tyme utilities disappearing.
>    OpenSUSE dropped a number I was using, and now the trend
>    seems to be spreading. The "improved" versions really ain't.
> 
>    Problem - lots of software saves a LOT of code by just running
>    those utilities in a shell and parsing what comes back. Suddenly
>    it's broken ....
> 
>    And I *do* prefer 'ifconfig' to 'ip'. Much more straight-up
>    informative report ... what you're REALLY looking for .....


openSUSE has ifconfig, if you really want it. But you shouldn't.


For instance:

With the servers that mount Infiniband cards, when I use the ifconfig 
command, I get this warning:

Ifconfig uses the ioctl access method to get the full address
information, which limits hardware addresses to 8 bytes.
Because Infiniband address has 20 bytes, only the first 8 bytes
are displayed correctly.
Ifconfig is obsolete! For replacement check ip.


https://inai.de/2008/02/19?range=2008/02/19

ifconfig sucks

On Linux, ifconfig is an archaic network interface configuration 
command. The implementation commonly encountered, "net-tools", has a 
number of problems which make it more and more unsuitable. The list of 
replacements is below.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Unix time "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:51 +0300
  Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-10-29 10:54 +1000
  Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-10-29 07:51 -0700
    Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-05 22:02 -0400
      Re: Unix time Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-06 12:14 +0000
        Re: Unix time "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 16:00 +0300
          Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-06 22:41 -0500
            Re: [OT] Unix time Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-09 16:54 -0600
              Re: [OT] Unix time Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:29 +1000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 10:58 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-21 21:59 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-22 12:31 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-22 15:37 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-23 00:28 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 00:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-23 12:47 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 23:55 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 09:30 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-26 23:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 13:26 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 12:32 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 14:36 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 14:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 19:25 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 19:40 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-24 21:28 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-24 13:06 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-26 23:36 -0500
            Re: Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-10 11:01 +0100
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:33 -0500
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:37 -0500
                Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 11:01 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:06 -0500
                Re: Unix time Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-11-21 13:03 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-21 21:40 -0500
          Re: Unix time Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-07 10:17 +0000
      Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-06 07:43 -0800
        Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-06 22:35 -0500
          Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:12 +0000
            Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:21 +0000
              Re: Unix time Harold Stevens <wookie@limbo.localdomain> - 2022-11-07 02:44 -0600
              Re: Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:42 +0000
                Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-07 16:44 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:46 -0500
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:32 -0500
                Re: Unix time Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-09 08:13 -0800
                Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-11-10 07:10 +1000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-16 00:18 -0500
                Re: Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-16 18:13 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-17 00:41 -0500
                Re: Unix time Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2022-11-22 18:21 +0000
                Re: Unix time "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net> - 2022-11-23 00:31 -0500
                Re: Unix time not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-11-17 07:27 +1000
              Re: Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-09 00:10 -0500
                Re: Unix time Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-11-09 18:52 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-10 18:57 -0600
                Re: [OT] Unix time G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2022-11-11 10:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-11-11 12:20 +0100
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:46 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-11 18:39 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-11 17:50 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:15 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-14 23:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-16 00:11 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 08:54 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-18 23:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 11:04 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:16 -0500
                Re: [OT] Unix time Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-19 13:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Unix time "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noada.net> - 2022-11-19 22:51 -0500

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