Re: [OT] Unix time

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: [OT] Unix time
Date	2022-11-24 19:25 +0100
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On 2022-11-24 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/11/2022 13:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2022-11-24 13:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2022 12:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-24 13:16, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2022 11:47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, this is not true. Opening the door amounts a significant extra 
>>>>>> energy use. How much, I do not know. Maybe someone has measured 
>>>>>> it. It takes some. Nil, no way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know the answer, how can you assert anything about it?
>>>>
>>>> Because when I open the door of the fridge, usually the motor kicks 
>>>> in and stays running for 10 minutes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So one 6th of an hour at what - 200W? 50w? Certainly not much more. 
>>> So worst case 1/30th of a unit give or take.
>>
>> But that's not the point. The point is, it is not zero as claimed.
> 
> I don't think he ever said that.

By now, I don't remember who and what exactly.

>>
>>>
>>> How much would a smart fridge run at...over and above a dumb one?
>>> or use to manufacture?
>>
>> I repeat, I'm not going to buy any smart fridge.
>>
> 
> No, but you are becoming trapped in qualitative or at most 'boolean ' 
> thinking - i.e. 'zero energy' or 'energy' rather than 'energy so 
> insignificant its not worth raising a fuss about'

Well, my parents would get in a fit if I opened the fridge and looked 
for a moment doing nothing (they lived a war and hunger). I can't help 
it, it is ingrained in me. Same as I can not throw food to the garbage.


I summer, just opening the door now and then means the motor runs non 
stop till the night, when nobody touches the thing.


> Asa I said, this is unusual in technical people, but de rigueur for 
> 'ArtStudents™ and of course the political Left to whom mathematics and 
> the notion of quantity is dull, boring and to be ignored and left to 
> 'techies' 'nerds' and 'swots' :-)
> 

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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