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On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/12/2024 22:07, D wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>> I think it can even happen spontaneously, and then there's near death >>>> experiences as well. >>>> >>> The ultimate trauma... >> >> Yes, and boy is it fascinating! >> >>>> That brings me to the thought, since psylocybin and other mushrooms are >>>> now starting to become so common, if there's something to be gained by >>>> doing it the natural way instead of "shocking" the mind with external >>>> drugs? >>>> >>> Depends on the person. Drugs are supremely violent and the moment or >>> revelations may well be too much for people to survive mentally intact... >> >> True. I would very much like to try, but I have madness in the distant >> family >> and I do not want to take any risk of jarring the good, old brain since it >> might >> be latent in me. >> >>> There isn't much point in achieving enlightenment if you are then unable >>> to cope with daily life. >> >> This is another interesting thought experiment. We tend to sanctify saints, >> saying they are the paragon of humanity. But would all of us becoing saints >> really be a good end station for humanity? >> >> If I look at monks and monasteries, they decide (for the love of humanity) >> to >> move away and pray. If you look at saintly figures among the monks (the >> "rock >> stars" of spirituality) they tend to withdraw even more, and the brothers >> take >> care of them. >> >> Now imagine a planet of such people. It does sound as if the human species >> would >> just slowly fade away. >> >>> "Before enlightenment, chopping wood, fetching water: After enlightenment >>> chopping wood, fetching water" >>> >>> :-) >> >> True. From where is that quote? > > Standard Zen shit I think > >> >>>> The reason I'm thinking about it is that I 've read about underground >>>> trip-clinics where people get "hooked" on the spiritual experience of >>>> merging with the universe. They want to experience it again and again. >>>> >>> Bliss junkies. >>> >>> It inst an escape. They probably gave em fentanyl. They knocked me out >>> with that for my last operation. Wow! >> >> Yes, it does sound like junkies. They are only there for the instant >> effects, >> and not for the goal (to find god). I think, but am not sure, that buddha >> strongly warned against blissful states, spiritual experiences, esp and so >> on, >> and said "just keep on meditating and do not let yourself be distracted by >> that". >> > Yes. Very much so. > >> It would make a lot of sense if that is what he said, and it would also >> make me >> think that in fact, bliss junkies is exactly what they are, and that it >> might >> actually be harmful for them in the long run, even though they run around >> feeling bliss all day. >> >>>> Contrast that with a buddhist monk who trained meditation for decades, >>>> and then has his realization. He might be a kind and loving man, with >>>> enormous compassion, continuing with his meditation and helping people. >>>> >>> Indeed. >>> >>>> The young man in the trip-clinic, goes there once a week to get his dose >>>> of spirituality. >>>> >>> Or down the club for a bit of Ecstasy. >>> >>> There is a reason psychedelics are no longer in vogue. They don't >>> guarantee a good time at all. In fact they can deliver a seriously bad >>> one. Hence Ecstasy - a cross between an amphetamine and a psychedelic. >> >> I think transpersonal psychology and psychedelic therapy are trying to >> mitigate >> that, and make it for "everyone" by carefully monitoring the process and >> the >> doseages. > > Well good luck with that. I come from a rougher and less sympathetic age. If > you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen. > > >> >>>> Is this good or bad? Is there a component that favours one or the other >>>> method? >>>> >>> Depends on the person. I think you need to be very strong to survive any >>> drug. But weak people are attracted. >> >> Only one way to find out! ;) >> >>>> I have a business colleague who is afraid of death. He went to an >>>> underground clinic and took a trip, and for a week or two afterwards he >>>> felt more in tune with the world and more spiritual and even hesitated to >>>> kill mosquitoes out of compassion. But then the effect started to wear >>>> off as life came back. >>>> >>> Psychedelics destroy your current world view. You can then find >>> alternative ones, or end up with none at all, in a mental institution, but >>> your normal one is a deep groove to escape from...its like they are a tool >>> to modify the metaphysics. But they are no guarantee the modification will >>> hold. >> >> I think it depends and can be anything from destroying it, shattering your >> ego, >> jarring it, or mildly "nudging" it. Maybe psychological illness is like the >> gearbox getting stuck, and the mild jarring, or hit of the drug, might >> shake it >> a bit so it becomes unstuck? > > Mental illness from the psychedelic perspective is simply a bad metaphysical > choice. > People choose to believe something, perhaps not even consciously, that makes > them dysfunctional and unhappy. But in some sense secure in their belief. > > "everyone is out to get me because i am in fact superior in every way, so I > don't need to change my views at all, I am right, and they are simply wrong" > > > >> >>> This is the world we have to live in - unless we are extremely permanently >>> 'enlightened' >> >> True. I often think that the reason christianity banned suicide was that >> life >> was so bad in the middle ages, that if people truly believed they would go >> to >> heaven after death, they would all commit suicide, if the church didn't >> forbid >> that way of "hacking the system"! ;) >> > Lol. Hacking the christian system > >>>> I don't know if it did anything long term, about his fear of death. >>>> >>>> For me, the tetrapharmakon is as good a treatment as any! =) >>> >>> "In my life, I have travelled many paths, >>> into the bush and out of it >>> But I am not anywhere. >>> For me there is only the travelling on paths with heart >>> On any path with heart >>> And their I travel looking breathlessly" >>> >>> "But how can one know a path with heart?" >>> >>> "Any fool can know that, the problem is that no one asks the question" >> >> From where is this quote? > > The teachings of Don Juan - Carlos Castenada. A mixture of truth and fiction > IMHO. Thank you, will have to look it up to see if there is much food for thought there.
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Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 13:17 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:51 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:23 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 01:04 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:55 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 08:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:33 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:48 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 07:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:18 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 20:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 01:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:33 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:41 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 21:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:26 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:14 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 10:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:37 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:36 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 03:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:10 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 23:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-11 01:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 11:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:08 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:31 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:13 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 10:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 18:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:01 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 19:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 00:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 01:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:27 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:28 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:07 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-11 12:33 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-11 15:16 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:15 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-12 05:06 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 08:24 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:37 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:15 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:33 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:47 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:50 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 12:00 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-10 22:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 11:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:35 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 02:41 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:45 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 12:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:42 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 17:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:51 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 11:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:48 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:48 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:44 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 08:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:49 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:38 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 00:19 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 03:02 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:47 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:32 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 10:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:30 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 10:13 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 01:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:37 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-04 00:44 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 07:58 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:37 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-06 04:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:19 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:43 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:30 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:55 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:42 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:40 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 08:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:30 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 07:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2024-12-06 03:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 21:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 09:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-12-06 17:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:20 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:50 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 06:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 04:11 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 18:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:10 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:54 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:19 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 12:35 -0800
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