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Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python?

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On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> wrote:
> The flaw of this model, and I am not discounting its merits, just
> pointing out that it isn't perfect, is that it creates the illusion
> that references are boxes (objects) just like data objects, leading
> the reader to think that we could have a reference to a reference.
> If they are all boxes, by can't we make reference thereto?

http://www.xkcd.com/895/

Analogies are like diagrams. Not all of them are perfect or useful.

The boxes are different sizes. If you really want them to look
different, do one as squares and one as circles, but don't try that in
plain text.

Chris Angelico

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  Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-03 14:49 +0000
  Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-03 15:20 +0000
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    Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-05-03 21:47 +0100
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                Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? harrismh777 <harrismh777@charter.net> - 2011-05-04 19:51 -0500
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          Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-05-04 21:20 +0100
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              Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-05 14:25 +0000
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      Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2011-05-04 09:40 -0600
        Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? sturlamolden <sturla@molden.no> - 2011-05-04 09:40 -0700
          Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2011-05-04 13:15 -0400
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