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Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python?

From harrismh777 <harrismh777@charter.net>
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Subject Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python?
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Date 2011-05-04 14:33 -0500

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Hans Georg Schaathun wrote:
> In C it is pass by value, as the pointer
> is explicit and do whatever you want with the pointer value.

You clearly are not a C programmer.

Most of my C data abstractions use dual circular linked lists of 
pointers to structures of pointers. *All* of that is only ever passed 
(at least in my programming) as references. My code almost never passes 
data by value.

We do not consider passing a pointer as *by value* because its an 
address; by definition, that is pass-by-reference. We are not passing 
the *value* of the data, we are passing the memory location (the 
reference) to the data. Pass by *value* on the other hand actually 
places the *value* of the data item on the call stack as a parameter.

Much of this conversation has more to do with semantics.


kind regards,
m harris



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